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Sudz
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
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 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: MA TESOL (without BA) satisfactory for university jobs? |
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Hi there,
Just a quick one here! I was able to get into an MA TESOL program based on my experience - and without an undergraduate. I'm wondering if I would be able to satisfy the legal requirements to work at a university with just the MA.
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Immigration rules require a BA. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: MA TESOL (without BA) satisfactory for university jobs? |
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| Sudz wrote: |
Hi there,
Just a quick one here! I was able to get into an MA TESOL program based on my experience - and without an undergraduate. I'm wondering if I would be able to satisfy the legal requirements to work at a university with just the MA.
Thanks! |
A university may accept you with an MA sans BA but immigration rules require the undergrad degree (BA) for visa issuance OR your MA + (now) more than 2 years of full time post grad university lecturer experience.
Even if you land the job you likely can't get the visa.
China, SE Asia or Eastern Europe are viable options but you may need to authenticate the MA as legit since you acquired it sans an undergraduate degree.
This shouldn't be news to you. You beat this to death before you even enrolled in your MA program. The world hasn't changed that much in the last couple years.
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Sudz
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys.
Sorry, I did go over this extensively before - thought it might be worth a revisit (heard conflicting information earlier - including through PMs).
So it sounds as though I could (at a later date) perhaps satisfy the visa requirements with the MA, and 2 + years post grad experience (at the uni level).
I'm currently in Japan, and would like to find university work here at some point. However, it's quite competitive, and I'd like to keep my options open.
Honestly, the ME sounds a bit dull, though the salary and vacation time would be a definite plus.
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Sudz wrote: |
Honestly, the ME sounds a bit dull, though the salary and vacation time would be a definite plus.
Cheers |
You haven't a cat in hell's chance of landing a decent gig in the ME. Stick to bottom feeding in SA/SEA buddy.  |
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Sudz
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| based on the fact that I currently lack relevant post MA experience, perhaps, but the MA only route is not impossible. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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As I advised you on the international board quite a while ago just apply.
You are looking for precedents in a country that a) doesn't have common law, b) it is acceptable to treat different people differently.
Immigration may give you a visa or may not, it depends on the person processing it.
Whether an employer accepts your degree is up to the employer in any country. I was refused work in the TESOL program at one university in Australia even with a graduate diploma in TESOL because I don't have a bachelor yet I lecture in business to MBA students at the same uni (under the supervision of a PhD holder and I have 2 masters degrees in business areas).
Some people will think it's unfair that you have a masters without the bachelor, you can't control that.
If you're serious and you've done a good quality masters it's time to start writing for publication, Belcher's book on writing a journal article in 12 weeks is an excellent resource even if it takes you a little longer. Publications are highly regarded by universities everywhere.
Edit: You can get an E2 visa with just a masters degree. The Sojourn Guide for Foreigners (www.hikorea.go.kr) states
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▸A national of a country that uses the certain foreign language as its
native language and who has graduated a college/university or higher
institution in the country with at least bachelor degree or who has
equivalent or higher academic credentials. |
This doesn't mean that you can get a job, but should you get a job, then you would just provide your masters diploma to get your visa. No lies told and no laws being broken. E1's are vaguely defined as professors at universities so who knows. |
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