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Stan Rogers
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Who's Your Daddy?
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Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| He decided to kill himself, and his company should have known their employee was unstable. He could have changed jobs. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| There is probably more to it than what is in the article. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Man Kills Himself Over Failure to Learn English |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/02/2015020201591.html
Anybody know this man? |
What makes you think any of us would know some random Korean working in Kuwait? |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| There is probably more to it than what is in the article. |
Yeah, has to be. I've heard of frustration with English, but suicide? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| There is probably more to it than what is in the article. |
Well, it would probably be accurate to say that he commited suicide because of limited career prospects. The limiting factor being his inability to learn English. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yet, some folks will come on this forum claiming Korean adults don't really need conversational English skills. tis tis |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| He needed counseling. English is a tough language to learn. It sounds to me like he had a good position regardless of his problem learning. What a waste of a life. |
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Adventurer
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| Kuwaitis have very high standards when it comes to engineering. They have many engineers from Europe (especially England). I remember talking to a Korean engineer who worked in Korea years ago, and he said that the Kuwaitis complained about the quality of their work and compared them to the British engineers; they thought more highly of the latter's work. I am just going based on what he said. It could have been his inability to communicate well in English and pressure from the Kuwaitis, who can be tough customers, from what I know. |
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northway
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| Kuwaitis have very high standards when it comes to engineering. They have many engineers from Europe (especially England). I remember talking to a Korean engineer who worked in Korea years ago, and he said that the Kuwaitis complained about the quality of their work and compared them to the British engineers; they thought more highly of the latter's work. I am just going based on what he said. It could have been his inability to communicate well in English and pressure from the Kuwaitis, who can be tough customers, from what I know. |
I have a Saudi friend from uni who has managed Korean engineers from one of the chaebols (so obviously some of the best of the best), and he was consistently frustrated because they simply would not think for themselves. He was the lead on an electrical project and being Western educated would ask for input in a roundtable style, only to be met with blank stares from his Korean underlings. Over nearly two years he came to the conclusion that they simply wouldn't come up with anything on their own. When he told them what to do they did a great job, but he had to do all the heavy lifting himself. This isn't to say that there's inherently a problem with Korean engineers, but it gets back to the same management problems that we've all encountered at one point or another. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Man Kills Himself Over Failure to Learn English |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/02/02/2015020201591.html
Anybody know this man? |
Yeah - he was a drinking buddy of mine. I recall he had major problems pronouncing letter R - and I made fun of that little fact a few times.
Alas, now that I think of it, that could have tipped him over the edge.
Oops. @@ |
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slothrop
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Kuwaitis have very high standards when it comes to engineering. They have many engineers from Europe (especially England). I remember talking to a Korean engineer who worked in Korea years ago, and he said that the Kuwaitis complained about the quality of their work and compared them to the British engineers; they thought more highly of the latter's work. I am just going based on what he said. It could have been his inability to communicate well in English and pressure from the Kuwaitis, who can be tough customers, from what I know. |
I have a Saudi friend from uni who has managed Korean engineers from one of the chaebols (so obviously some of the best of the best), and he was consistently frustrated because they simply would not think for themselves. He was the lead on an electrical project and being Western educated would ask for input in a roundtable style, only to be met with blank stares from his Korean underlings. Over nearly two years he came to the conclusion that they simply wouldn't come up with anything on their own. When he told them what to do they did a great job, but he had to do all the heavy lifting himself. This isn't to say that there's inherently a problem with Korean engineers, but it gets back to the same management problems that we've all encountered at one point or another. |
Well, wealthy Middle Eastern clientele don't want engineers who need to be directed by others constantly. They want people who can be more independent and deliver on quality work. I don't think he committed suicide simply because his English skills were sub-par. Kuwaitis are exacting and tough customers. You have to be on top of things. |
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