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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:53 pm Post subject: Korea has world's highest air safety |
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Mostly about Indonesia but Korea makes an appearance here:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/downed-airasia-flight-took-off-from-the-worst-major-country-for-air-safety-oversight/
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Indonesia’s ratings could be worse. It isn’t one of the dozen countries that ICAO has determined has at least one of what it calls Significant Safety Concerns.7 That means ICAO thinks the government’s oversight of some aspect of aviation — such as airlines or airports — is too weak to ensure that ICAO standards are being met.
While Indonesia’s ratings are poor, its problems appear to stop at its borders. Herdman points out that the highest rated country by ICAO is South Korea. China, Japan, Hong Kong, Mongolia and Singapore — the scheduled destination of the downed AirAsia flight — also all rank in the top quartile of the ICAO rankings. Africa, not Asia, presents the most serious problems. It has far more low-rated countries for oversight quality, including the lowest-rated in the world, Djibouti (4 percent). No country scores 100 percent. South Korea gets nearly 99 percent; the U.S., 92 percent. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Could the lack of light, privately owned, small planes in Korea improve the statistic?
There are more aircraft in the sky around in Victoria Canada that there were around Gimhae/Busan. Light planes, float planes, helicopters. My uncle used to fly a plane as a hobby. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I guess some credit has to be given to Korean maintenance crews. Korea has had many issues with flying over the years, but no major ones as I recall, have been due to maintenance issues and equipment failures. They've mostly been due to pilot error.
Here I think the problem is the Korean military's relative lack of air transport. They rely mostly on ex-fighter jocks. Guys who I think can at times (not all or even most) be temperamentally unsuited for passenger flight service. You want guys that used to fly KC-135s and C-5s. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't this ranking the governing body that regulates air safety? Not actual safety of flights.
Is the country’s oversight body free from political influence? Does it have enough qualified staff to assess airlines? Are airlines sufficiently disciplined when they are in breach of safety rules? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Are airlines sufficiently disciplined when they are in breach of safety rules? |
Depends - do you think not being allowed to fly to and from the US counts as sufficiently disciplined?
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| In March 2007, the FAA announced that Indonesia doesn’t meet ICAO standards, a finding that remains unchanged today. That makes Indonesia one of just nine places in the world the FAA has deemed unfit to oversee airlines carrying passengers to or from the U.S., and one of just two (along with India) in the top 70 in global air traffic. The FAA restricts the ability of air carriers from places that flunk its inspections to fly to and from the U.S. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea bashers will freak out. The news said Korea is the best at something? Oh no! Can't have that now can we. Must find ways to discredit it. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea bashers will freak out. The news said Korea is the best at something? Oh no! Can't have that now can we. Must find ways to discredit it. |
yeah before they go at it and make themselves look foolish they should read the history on the korean aviation industry. during the 80's when korea was at the very bottom due to language and cultural issues (and more crashes than almost anyone else) they had a very bad track record. then the airline companies flipped the entire industry on it's head and hired outside consultant and pilots.
fast forward a few decades and now you can obviously see that the korean aviation industry is on top of the heap. look at incheon airport and the numerous awards it wins along with the two national flag carriers (asiana and korean air) and all the awards they win as well. as a frequent traveler i would agree without a doubt that the korean airlines are easily at the top. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Especially at KoreanAir where macadamia nuts are served on a plate!!! |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
| Especially at KoreanAir where macadamia nuts are served on a plate!!! |
I bet that if the nuts had been served to Cho IN THE PROPER MANNER Korea would have a 100%. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
Isn't this ranking the governing body that regulates air safety? Not actual safety of flights.
Is the country’s oversight body free from political influence? Does it have enough qualified staff to assess airlines? Are airlines sufficiently disciplined when they are in breach of safety rules? |
Before the Koreaboos and the bashers go toe-to-toe on this one, the intent of the article needs to be fully clear. To me, it doesn't say that Korean aviation is any safer - just that the government has a lot of people checking boxes. In a country as corrupt as Korea where money talks, this might not mean too much.
After all, there are some people so unscrupulous when it comes to taking bribes that they will even risk potential nuclear meltdowns.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_KHNP_corruption_arrests_1206121.html
And not even to mention Sewol, collapsed buildings and bridges etc. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I guess some credit has to be given to Korean maintenance crews. Korea has had many issues with flying over the years, but no major ones as I recall, have been due to maintenance issues and equipment failures. They've mostly been due to pilot error.
Here I think the problem is the Korean military's relative lack of air transport. They rely mostly on ex-fighter jocks. Guys who I think can at times (not all or even most) be temperamentally unsuited for passenger flight service. You want guys that used to fly KC-135s and C-5s. |
Me gook pilots have this too. I was told before you could always tell ex military ones by the way they thrust up more quickly when they take off. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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My sister in law is a flight attendant for Air Canada and when we go back and forth (me saying how much it sucks to fly N.American airlines), she always pulls a 'safety' claim out of somewhere, like Asian airlines mechanics are like monkeys on the runway banging wrenches together.
Can't wait to add this little gem to the chamber. |
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Sister Ray
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| as a frequent traveler i would agree without a doubt that the korean airlines are easily at the top. |
Really? I find KAL and Asiana decidedly average. Singapore Air is my preference by a long way.
Incheon is a great airport, but again I'd rather have a layover at Changi. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Sister Ray wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| as a frequent traveler i would agree without a doubt that the korean airlines are easily at the top. |
Really? I find KAL and Asiana decidedly average. Singapore Air is my preference by a long way.
Incheon is a great airport, but again I'd rather have a layover at Changi. |
just my personal experience. i've flown on singapore air quite a few times but in general flights on asiana and korean air have been the best for me. the stewardesses normally bend over backwards to accomodate me in whatever way they can. i also much prefer incheon to changi but i guess that's also about personal experience. i usually spend all my time in lounges so while i try to explore most airports just to see them i don't usually "hang out" in the common areas so i think i have a little different experience than others. |
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