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Mental Health - Is it That Dangerous?

 
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Ramanujan88



Joined: 29 Mar 2015

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Mental Health - Is it That Dangerous? Reply with quote

I know mental health is not a big thing in Korea, but can you really get legally fired from teaching if, say, you went to a counselor? I'm not talking about having a mental disease. But just to vent or get a professional opinion. That's consider fine, even responsible in America. Is it really dangerous to your job in Korea?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potentially, but it really depends on the school. My hagwon was pretty accepting of mental stuff, but they also wouldn't want to have someone with serious mental disorders on staff. If, for example, you had a breakup or a family member died and you wanted to go talk to someone, they would have been very supportive. If you had depression or anger issues, probably not so much. A lot of schools, particularly in rural areas, might be less accepting of the former as well.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's really on a case by case basis. I've heard some employers being perfectly OK with it as long as it doesn't really affect your job. Others I've heard the opposite, people have been fired over this.

Biggest problem is Korean attitudes towards mental illness, I'd say in this regard Korea is in the 1950's on this. Don't get me on their views on major depression and adult ADHD to say its backasswards is an understatement.

My advice here is the same with any medical condition above the flu and that includes things like high blood pressure or cholesterol . Don't breathe a word to anybody associated with your job and that includes foreign co-workers. I'd also see dr, therapists etc a long ways from your employer as medical privacy is a joke there outside the major international clinics.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has a major mental illness problem caused by the culture, stress and a host of other factors yet treats victims as if they had HIV. Never mind the rapidly aging population and the consequently growing number of mental diseases like dementia, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

If you've had any mental counseling or the like, tell no one in Korea except people you can trust. I remember hearing something interesting: when one has cancer, people flock to you in droves in sympathy, but if one has a mental illness, they stay away.
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have stomach problems so I have to take a lot of probiotics and antispasmodics. Once a doctor referred me to a mental health doctor because stress aggravates my symptoms. The mental health clinic has their own pharmacy so people can keep their illness secret. I think that's a good indicator of how to approach the situation.

The mental health doctor gave me a load of pills but I only lasted a week. I was drowsy and lacked clarity of thought. Some Korean doctors tend to over prescribe so be careful.

I still have stomach problems and take the relevant drugs (buscopan and probiotics), but I don't take any pills for mental health problems. I also avoid a lot of Korean food and all Korean alcohol, which seems to help. If you've been diagnosed previously then that's cool, but if a Korean doctor has diagnosed you I wouldn't take it as gospel. They were way off the mark with me.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lufthansa found out the hard way how serious mental illness can be if left unchecked.
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Qonny



Joined: 28 Oct 2014

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
I have stomach problems so I have to take a lot of probiotics and antispasmodics. Once a doctor referred me to a mental health doctor because stress aggravates my symptoms. The mental health clinic has their own pharmacy so people can keep their illness secret. I think that's a good indicator of how to approach the situation.

The mental health doctor gave me a load of pills but I only lasted a week. I was drowsy and lacked clarity of thought. Some Korean doctors tend to over prescribe so be careful.

I still have stomach problems and take the relevant drugs (buscopan and probiotics), but I don't take any pills for mental health problems. I also avoid a lot of Korean food and all Korean alcohol, which seems to help. If you've been diagnosed previously then that's cool, but if a Korean doctor has diagnosed you I wouldn't take it as gospel. They were way off the mark with me.


I had/have exactly the same issue. And stress was a huge factor. Stress goes, stomach issues go. Like clockwork. I also grind my teeth in my sleep and have done since I was a teenager. The dentist here reckons its stress and I should see a shrink, but he warned me Korea has a "primative mental health" attitude, and any shrink I see would just load me up with drugs, which is something I want to avoid.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
they also wouldn't want to have someone with serious mental disorders on staff.


Actually they wouldn't even recognize if they did. I've known several teachers that wouldn't be allowed on the bus in most countries get away with teaching in Korea.


Yaya wrote:
Korea has a major mental illness problem caused by the culture, stress and a host of other factors


A fair number of adults seem to exist with personality disorders that would be schooled out of them in the west. For example by self-help books or articles in magazines and the media. All that influence is lacking in Korea.



Where's harpeau on this? Would appreciate his perspective.
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qonny wrote:
jazzmaster wrote:
I have stomach problems so I have to take a lot of probiotics and antispasmodics. Once a doctor referred me to a mental health doctor because stress aggravates my symptoms. The mental health clinic has their own pharmacy so people can keep their illness secret. I think that's a good indicator of how to approach the situation.

The mental health doctor gave me a load of pills but I only lasted a week. I was drowsy and lacked clarity of thought. Some Korean doctors tend to over prescribe so be careful.

I still have stomach problems and take the relevant drugs (buscopan and probiotics), but I don't take any pills for mental health problems. I also avoid a lot of Korean food and all Korean alcohol, which seems to help. If you've been diagnosed previously then that's cool, but if a Korean doctor has diagnosed you I wouldn't take it as gospel. They were way off the mark with me.


I had/have exactly the same issue. And stress was a huge factor. Stress goes, stomach issues go. Like clockwork. I also grind my teeth in my sleep and have done since I was a teenager. The dentist here reckons its stress and I should see a shrink, but he warned me Korea has a "primative mental health" attitude, and any shrink I see would just load me up with drugs, which is something I want to avoid.


I feel your pain. My stomach was never a problem until I came to Korea. One kimchi chigae set my stomach off and it's never been the same. Red pepper in particular irritates it. As does the cheap beer here. I've cut drinking alcohol and all spicy food out of my diet. I also avoid fibre and eat a lot of fish.
If my stomach cramps are bad during the night I sometimes take a low dose tri-cyclic anti-depressant. Here's a link with some info - https://www.med.unc.edu/ibs/files/educational-gi-handouts/Antidepressants%20as%20IBS%20Treatment.pdf

I also take buscopan and lacidofil.

Mods - if this is too off topic, let me know and I will refrain from posting further.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
The mental health clinic has their own pharmacy so people can keep their illness secret.


Wouldn't the National Health Insurance know what you've been prescribed by the doctor's records? Would you pay in cash for the medicine?
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jazzmaster



Joined: 30 Sep 2013

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
jazzmaster wrote:
The mental health clinic has their own pharmacy so people can keep their illness secret.


Wouldn't the National Health Insurance know what you've been prescribed by the doctor's records? Would you pay in cash for the medicine?


I guess the Nation Health Insurance would know. I didn't really think about it that much. Maybe it allows them a degree of secrecy, rather than total secrecy.
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FDNY



Joined: 27 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every doctor in Korea has access to an NHS database that shows exactly
what other doctors have prescribed for you. There are no secrets here. I
guess they don't want individuals making trips to different doctors collecting
scrips for the same medicines.
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I remember hearing something interesting: when one has cancer, people flock to you in droves in sympathy, but if one has a mental illness, they stay away.


Yes, that is an interesting point. I was watching a show called "The Agenda" (based in Ontario) on youtube not long ago, that discussed such things. One woman, a doctor, spoke exactly of what you said. She battled cancer and got lots of sympathy, people bringing food, helping out with housework or whatever. But when she struggled with depression, well, you know, that sympathy just isn't there. Pretty weird considering how common and devastating depression and other such illnesses can be, that we categorize them as either worthy, or not so much, of our compassion.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a serious mental disorder there are plenty of jobs available cleaning the tables at McDonald's, picking up trays etc. You might try Walmart picking up the grocery baskets in the parking lot although that job usually goes to felons. If you want to work at a decent position usually it's best not to tell people about your history, you don't have to.
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