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Best route to Korea (Visas)

 
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absane



Joined: 24 May 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:43 pm    Post subject: Best route to Korea (Visas) Reply with quote

I used to teach in Korea on an E2 visa. Stayed there for 3 years, married a Korean gal, and then left. We are now in the USA back in my hometown. Been considering going back to Korea to settle down but I am unsure how to do it. Most likely I will want to go back into a teaching gig since I liked it and enjoyed the perks. However, I am also an IT professional so doing that could be a possibility.

What routes are available to me in terms of visas? According to my wife and from what I have read, I can't get the F marriage visa unless I already live in Korea. Perhaps I could go back on a tourist visa and apply but isn't there a minimum time period?

I could also get an E2 but that will require a lot of time. When I did that years ago it took me 2 months from start to finish but that's only because I expedited the apostille process by flying to DC.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think visas will be the least of your worries. The ESL market has undergone major changes in that there are fewer jobs nowadays, even if you have the proper qualifications. As for IT, well, even if you could get a job, you'd be looking at so-so salaries and long hours.

I'd think long and hard before returning to Korea. It's not the same as it was.
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absane



Joined: 24 May 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I'd think long and hard before returning to Korea. It's not the same as it was.


I left less than a year ago so I don't think it's changed much.

I wouldn't ever actually consider doing IT with a Korean company. I am starting to hate it here in the states so I imagine it's even worse in Korea. I just mentioned that hoping there might be a visa backdoor for me.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absane wrote:
I left less than a year ago so I don't think it's changed much.

It has, man. So many public school jobs were cut. Even Korea defenders who previously denied a decline are now admitting there is one underway.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absane wrote:
Yaya wrote:
I'd think long and hard before returning to Korea. It's not the same as it was.


I left less than a year ago so I don't think it's changed much.

I wouldn't ever actually consider doing IT with a Korean company. I am starting to hate it here in the states so I imagine it's even worse in Korea. I just mentioned that hoping there might be a visa backdoor for me.


You'd be surprised how many longtimers have left Korea because they cannot get jobs or were let go. I really think you should try to find something back in the U.S. Missing Korea is natural but think long term.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
You'd be surprised how many longtimers have left Korea because they cannot get jobs or were let go.

I wonder if that's the reason we don't hear from The Urban Myth (10,000+ posts) anymore. That dude had teaching certification from Canada and fifteen years teaching experience in Korea. Age discrimination is real here in Korea. And the more applicants (and fewer jobs), the more discriminating employers can be.

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Korea is not what it was.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Yaya wrote:
You'd be surprised how many longtimers have left Korea because they cannot get jobs or were let go.

...Age discrimination is real here in Korea. And the more applicants (and fewer jobs), the more discriminating employers can be.

This is true. My being let go, though, wasnt due to being a foreigner. I hit the same regulatory wall that applies to all Korean public school teachers.

I'm confident I could have come up with something in the private sector had I chosen to. Immigration has no age limit for handing out E2's, but without connections odds are now stacked against older new applicants getting started in Korea.

Personally, I took the loss of my job as a signal it was time to branch forward, enjoy the fruits of my savings & pension, & try something new elsewhere.

My timing in Korea was intuitive & lucky. I caught a nice long wave. My best advice to older efl newbs: keep your ear to the ground, dont follow the crowd, dont limit your options, & trust your hunches. Chances are theres a rewarding niche somewhere in this big world with your name on it.

[Sorry I veered off-topic OP by responding to respondents. You have your own good reasons for returning to Korea & I wish you the best. Hopefully others will pitch in about the F-visa.]
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over 40 years old with a BA/BS, and few to no contacts; you better have an impressive mugshot.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the OP is married to a Korean national, he can get the F6 visa.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Best route to Korea (Visas) Reply with quote

absane wrote:
I used to teach in Korea on an E2 visa. Stayed there for 3 years, married a Korean gal, and then left. We are now in the USA back in my hometown. Been considering going back to Korea to settle down but I am unsure how to do it. Most likely I will want to go back into a teaching gig since I liked it and enjoyed the perks. However, I am also an IT professional so doing that could be a possibility.

What routes are available to me in terms of visas? According to my wife and from what I have read, I can't get the F marriage visa unless I already live in Korea. Perhaps I could go back on a tourist visa and apply but isn't there a minimum time period?

I could also get an E2 but that will require a lot of time. When I did that years ago it took me 2 months from start to finish but that's only because I expedited the apostille process by flying to DC.



The way it used to work was they gave you a temp F visa until your paperwork was completed for the proper F visa. That way, you didn't have to leave the country like when on a tourist visa.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Since the OP is married to a Korean national, he can get the F6 visa.

That is what I was thinking.

http://hiexpat.com/2014/12/working-korea-f6-visa/

In order to get an F6 visa you must be married to a Korean national and be able to provide evidence of 1) Korean language capability 2) Financial Support 3) A place to stay, as well as the usual visa paperwork. As usual, there are some caveats and exceptions on all of these requirements.
Language Capability – Most simply satisfied by presenting evidence that you have taken and passed the TOPIK (Test of Proficiency in Korean) test to at least Level 1. This can be waived if you demonstrate that your spouse communicates with you in your mother tongue (for example if you have lived together overseas)
Financial Support – Since your spouse will be your sponsor they need to demonstrate that they have income or assets sufficient to look after you. This threshold currently sits at about 15m won annually for a couple, rising by 4.5m per additional dependent.
Residence Requirement – You need to be able to show ownership documents or a rental contract on a residence in Korea sufficient for everyone included in your application.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe Yaya for it was called, "Dynamic Korea," for many years meaning an unprecedented fast changing country and economy. I understand such changes Yaya talks about was coming about around a year to two years ago. I was ran off from a public school job a year ago for no good reason after doing really well at two previous PS jobs and a hagwon contract in Korea, because my job was being eliminated and it disgusted the co-teachers and the local community. In a passive aggressive culture like that, they'll deal with frustrations or failures by taking it out on the innocent involved party (foreign teacher) without saying whats actually going wrong while creating many problems out of thin air. Such could happen anywhere in the world and I expected for Korea to become a tight market with increasing negativity and crazy competition. My Korean friends I still chat with online tell me it's really getting to be a tight job market where there aren't any meaningful jobs for younger graduates while living costs continually reach new highs. Needless to say, I probably won't come back to Korea, but interested in other countries while I'll never be able to stop looking at the Korea part of this website.

In any country and time, when the chips are down, attitudes sour and the job market becomes very tight or pays simply stagnate as is the case in other places like Thailand and the USA along with dozens of other countries. This isn't only true for ESL teaching, but also for retail, call center, and numerous other positions. It's most unfortunate, I believe the coming decades will only be increasingly brutal all across the board. This isn't you're parents world anymore nor the one you grew up in.
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FastForward



Joined: 04 Jul 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
absane wrote:
Yaya wrote:
I'd think long and hard before returning to Korea. It's not the same as it was.


I left less than a year ago so I don't think it's changed much.

I wouldn't ever actually consider doing IT with a Korean company. I am starting to hate it here in the states so I imagine it's even worse in Korea. I just mentioned that hoping there might be a visa backdoor for me.


You'd be surprised how many longtimers have left Korea because they cannot get jobs or were let go. I really think you should try to find something back in the U.S. Missing Korea is natural but think long term.


I really love Korea and have a Korean girlfriend. It's hard for me to go back the the U.S. even though I now conditions here will only get worse. I'm hoping I still have 5-6 more years left. At 33 years old, I'm already feeling too old for the current market.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FastForward wrote:
Yaya wrote:
absane wrote:
Yaya wrote:
I'd think long and hard before returning to Korea. It's not the same as it was.


I left less than a year ago so I don't think it's changed much.

I wouldn't ever actually consider doing IT with a Korean company. I am starting to hate it here in the states so I imagine it's even worse in Korea. I just mentioned that hoping there might be a visa backdoor for me.


You'd be surprised how many longtimers have left Korea because they cannot get jobs or were let go. I really think you should try to find something back in the U.S. Missing Korea is natural but think long term.


I really love Korea and have a Korean girlfriend. It's hard for me to go back the the U.S. even though I now conditions here will only get worse. I'm hoping I still have 5-6 more years left. At 33 years old, I'm already feeling too old for the current market.


I'm sure you love Korea but will it love you back just as much? I'm thinking not given that many KOREANS let alone expats are having a hard time finding jobs and such. Please heed the saying "Better to make things happen rather than have things happen to you."
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