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On the other hand
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 Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:41 am Post subject: Jacques Parizeau is dead |
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Jacques Parizeau, the giant of the Quebec separatist movement who came within a hair of leading nationalists to victory in the 1995 referendum, has died, his wife reported on social media.
Lisette Lapointe said Mr. Parizeau, the former Quebec premier, died just before 8 p.m. on Monday from an undisclosed cause. He was 84.
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For most anglo-Canadians outside Quebec, probably best known for adding the phrase "money and the ethnic vote" to political folklore. I actually watched that speech live on TV, and remarked to my friend that he seemed to be confirming every negative stereotype about Quebec nationalism.
In retrospect, as a strict mathematical analysis, he was probably correct, at least about the "ethnic" part. It's no secret that "multicultural" communities in Quebec voted overwhelmingly againt sovereignty. And I believe the franophone vote was at least narrowly in favour.
As the article states, he always claimed that it was a trip to Banff, Alberta, that convinced him that Quebec and English Canada would never survive as a workable federation. He was wrong, obviously, but I'll throw in the caveat that there has been a significant devolution of power to the provinces, especially but not exclusively, to Quebec.
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quebec separatism isn't dead though. It probably never will be, and pounce again when conditions are right. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Quebec separatism isn't dead though. It probably never will be, and pounce again when conditions are right. |
The current PQ leader, Pierre Karl Peladeau, has said that they have only a short while to bring about independence, and pretty much openly stated that this is because of immigration. I believe his line was something like "the federal government is now importing a riding a year into Quebec". (A riding being an electoral district.)
Thoough Peladeau would of course have an interest in promoting a now-or-never sense of urgency around independence. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| Quebec separatism isn't dead though. It probably never will be, and pounce again when conditions are right. |
The current PQ leader, Pierre Karl Peladeau, has said that they have only a short while to bring about independence, and pretty much openly stated that this is because of immigration. I believe his line was something like "the federal government is now importing a riding a year into Quebec". (A riding being an electoral district.)
Thoough Peladeau would of course have an interest in promoting a now-or-never sense of urgency around independence. |
Quebec is still like 85% white. Large cities are pretty deceptive in indicating the true demographics of a larger area. And at current rates of immigration, and considering not many choose to go to Quebec they have plenty of time before non 'pure laine' Quebecers make up even half the population.
BTW, a riding represent generally somewhere between 100,000 to 250,000 people. Canada accepts about 350,000 immigrants a year. There is absolutly no way Quebect takes in 1/3 of them. From what I have heard, over half of all immigrants any given year end up in the Toronto metro area. Southern Ontario, and Toronto, probably take in a huge chunk of that 350,000. Then BC takes in the second most. And the rest are pretty much spread out to the rest of the country. Quebec largely takes in French speaking immigrants from Africa, and Haiti. Nowhere close to 100,000.
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:32 am Post subject: |
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/research/census2001/montreal/parta.asp
From 1986-2001 Quebec took in 180,000 immigrants. That's like 12,000 a year. I'm assuming the number from 2001-2015 isn't much different. I'm willing to bet, unless Quebec decides to ditch French, or their economy goes into orbit, they aren't going to attract many immigrants. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| BTW, a riding represent generally somewhere between 100,000 to 250,000 people. Canada accepts about 350,000 immigrants a year. There is absolutly no way Quebect takes in 1/3 of them. |
Yeah, sorry, I misquoted Pelardeau.
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We won’t have 25 years ahead of us to achieve this. With demographics, with immigration, it’s clear that we’re losing one riding a year,” he told the crowd.
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Obviously, he meant that, as a result of immigration, there was one less riding every year that would support sovereignty, not that the amount of immigrants into Quebec is equivalent to one riding. They could lose a close riding just by having a small handful of federalists move in.
Though of course a referendum wouldn't be tallied according to riding, but popular vote. Maybe he meant the PQ was losing ridings.
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