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tophatcat
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Use Google, man. College tuition has risen but so have grants and scholarships (with is rarely mentioned). |
What are all of these young chaps that haven't been paying their debts going to do when the jobs here dry up and they have to go back home. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| For the well-being of society as a whole, collective success is more important than individual success. Because of different challenging circumstances, many individuals need various kinds of support for a society to be successful. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone dislikes a bum. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| What are all of these young chaps that haven't been paying their debts going to do when the jobs here dry up and they have to go back home. |
With bad credit, they'll have no choice but to live in a bad neighborhood (the ghetto) with other losers, blaming their situation on "the man". Their neighbors will blame their position in life on the white man, while the failed ESL teachers will cast blame on the big bad U.S. federal government who "tricked" them into borrowing money in the form of subsidized low interest loans. |
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slothrop
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:07 am Post subject: |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Use Google, man. College tuition has risen but so have grants and scholarships (with is rarely mentioned). |
LOL. So you're lazy, got it.
Pell Grants:
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The number of students receiving Pell Grants increased from 3.8 million in 1993‐94 to 5.1 million in 2003‐04, and to 9.2 million in 2013‐14.
Total Pell Grant expenditures increased from $16.1 billion (in 2013 dollars) in 2003-04 to $38.2 billion in 2010-11, but declined to an estimated $33.7 billion by 2013-14.
Despite increasing by 12% in inflation-adjusted dollars over the decade, the maximum Pell Grant covered 79% of average public four-year tuition and fees in 2004-05, but only 63% in 2014-15. It covered 20% of average private nonprofit four-year tuition and fees in 2004-05, and 18% in 2014-15. |
link
And I found your link. Nice selective quoting on your part.
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| Pell Grant funding rose by 26 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars. However, the average Pell Grant increased only 3 percent, providing an additional $200 per recipient. The $2,770 average Pell Grant covers less than 20 percent of average total charges (tuition and fees, room and board) at public four-year colleges and universities, while the maximum Pell Grant covers 34 percent of these charges. |
So no, when factoring in the cost of tuition, and the increased # of students, it has in fact relatively shrunk.
Your link:
http://www.mycollegescholarship.org/college-cost-facts/ |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| The # of available scholarships and grants has also shrunk. |
...which is clearly wrong. I knew it was, so I quickly refuted it. With the first link I came across. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Too many people don't want to put the sweat, hard work, time, and effort into what it takes to reap the big benefits. |
You talking about the country where workers take the fewest vacations and get no paid maternity?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/travel/u-s-workers-vacation-time/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2014/10/22/americas-disappearing-vacation-days/
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| Workers took an average of 16 days of vacation in 2013 compared to an average of 20.3 days as recently as 2000. Some 169 million of those paid time off days from last year are permanently lost; by forfeiting them, American employees collectively surrendered $52.4 billion in benefits, or an average of $504 per employee for free labor for their employers. |
"Reality has well known liberal bias." |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
You claimed:
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| The # of available scholarships and grants has also shrunk. |
...which is clearly wrong. I knew it was, so I quickly refuted it. With the first link I came across. |
Yeah dude, so I phrased it wrong. The amount available per capita has decreased. College has become less and less affordable. That's the point. |
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IBD
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:23 am Post subject: |
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What are all of these young chaps that haven't been paying their debts going to do when the jobs here dry up and they have to go back home. |
Jobs will never dry up in the ridiculous joke that Korean EFL is. They'll just continue to make their 2.3 and complain when a masters is no longer enough for that whopping salary. Nothing will ever change as long as Koreans and universities keep wasting money for a native English speaking teacher, preferably white and female..ahem. |
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SocialParasite
Joined: 19 Jan 2012
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| Everyone dislikes a bum. |
Yes that is quite true. Now get out there and work hard and pay off your debts. Because money=debt. What better way to enslave an entire generation of young people than using debt slavery. |
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Plain Meaning
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/world-without-work/395294/
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| Hunnicutt said he thinks [that as automation replaces workers] colleges could reemerge as cultural centers rather than job-prep institutions. The word school, he pointed out, comes from skholē, the Greek word for “leisure.” “We used to teach people to be free,” he said. “Now we teach them to work.” |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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There are a lot of jobs out there. Well perhaps not for people who have a BA in Pop Culture Studies.
I know a young man back home who has a two-year certificate in diesel mechanics. He has been with Caterpillar Inc. for three years. He told me he made $85,000 last year. He also told me Caterpillar was having a difficult time filling mechanic positions. |
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slothrop
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
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There are a lot of jobs out there. Well perhaps not for people who have a BA in Pop Culture Studies.
I know a young man back home who has a two-year certificate in diesel mechanics. He has been with Caterpillar Inc. for three years. He told me he made $85,000 last year. He also told me Caterpillar was having a difficult time filling mechanic positions. |
your friend got a great deal. he makes more than twice the average salary for diesel mechanics($41,000).
http://www.salarylist.com/jobs/Diesel-Mechanic-Salary.htm |
Some of it was due to overtime. I think his 40hr week, yearly salary is around low $60,000s. |
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