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Cave Dweller
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bigverne
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| A good start. The next move would be to stop letting so many Somalis, Nigerians etc |
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Chaparrastique
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| Muslims are a ticking time bomb. Most are law-abiding but ultimately their communities are led and directed by extreme elements. Their aim is to make the whole world islamic and they've certainly succeeded with half the globe already. Non-muslim immigrants are fine though. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Non-muslim immigrants are fine though. |
Eastern European gypsies are not Muslim and are probably worse than the average Pakistani in terms of criminality and welfare dependency. It's a huge generalization to say that Muslim immigration is bad and non-Muslim immigration is good. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| European gypsies are not Muslim and are probably worse than the average Pakistani |
Immigration has benefitted the UK and I see racial diversity as a plus.
Gypsies are native to the UK and their culture has long been a part of British and European culture. They have integrated into mainstream society in many cases. And even where they haven't, they are only a tiny minority group that do not seek to overthrow the country.
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| It's a huge generalization to say that Muslim immigration is bad and non-Muslim immigration is good. |
The only group of immigrants who have consistently not integrated are muslims. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Gypsies are native to the UK |
Roma from Eastern Europe are native to the UK?
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| Immigration has benefitted the UK and I see racial diversity as a plus. |
So, you're quite happy to see the UK demographically transformed, but just not by Muslims? |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Roma from Eastern Europe are native to the UK? |
We're all native to the EU.
You want your retirement villa to be in spain? or was it Portugal.
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| So, you're quite happy to see the UK demographically transformed, but just not by Muslims? |
Yep.
The UK has always been in a continual process of racial and demographic transformation. The one thing it has never been, thankfully, is muslim. |
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Cave Dweller
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And that's why UK is a world leader in many things with a high standard of living.
Kiss that goodbye, the more muslims you let in. They are doing nothing for the country.
And yes, gypsies are a problem too. A large number of them for sure.
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| Roma from Eastern Europe are native to the UK? |
We're all native to the EU.
You want your retirement villa to be in spain? or was it Portugal.
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| So, you're quite happy to see the UK demographically transformed, but just not by Muslims? |
Yep.
The UK has always been in a continual process of racial and demographic transformation. The one thing it has never been, thankfully, is muslim. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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According to the article . . .
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| Many of the people who have been deported have been convicted of crime, or are individuals who have already been ordered to leave, but have returned to Norway illegally. |
If true, then not racist, at all.
But it seems as if many on this board (not referring to the OP here) lack reading comprehension and instead prefer to whip up fear or hatred against Muslims (or blacks). |
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Cave Dweller
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The left wingers are saying it is racial targeting. Others are saying most of these illegals just happen to be from Nigeria and Afghanistan.
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According to the article . . .
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| Many of the people who have been deported have been convicted of crime, or are individuals who have already been ordered to leave, but have returned to Norway illegally. |
If true, then not racist, at all.
But it seems as if many on this board (not referring to the OP here) lack reading comprehension and instead prefer to whip up fear or hatred against Muslims (or blacks). |
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W.T.Carl
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| It's real easy: come into a country illegally and you will get kicked out. Commit a crime and you will go to jail and THEN you will get kicked out. Advocate the overthrow of the government and you will get thrown out. Demand that the country change to suit your religion and you will get thrown out. These people must be made to see that they are guest in your country and should behave like guest. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| It's real easy: come into a country illegally and you will get kicked out. Commit a crime and you will go to jail and THEN you will get kicked out.. |
These are two different situations.
The first situation, entry without status; a deportation order should be entered or an amnesty settlement should be provided. It is not criminal conduct to jump the border.
The second situation, entry without status accompanied by contempt of court order or other illegal activity (in the US a crime of 'moral turpitude.'), immediate and supervised deportation. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| 'Border Jumping' is ILLEGAL. To gain refugee status one has to wait AT the border until it is issued. |
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Plain Meaning
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| 'Border Jumping' is ILLEGAL.. |
Well, actually, yes you are correct. 'Border Jumping' does have a criminal penalty. But rarely can the government prove 'border jumping,' so usually it would only be able to prove 'illegal presence.'
Nonetheless, its very different to either border jump or be without lawful status, versus to have committed a crime of moral turpitude, or be in violation of an order of deportation.
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The Congressional Research Service (CRS), in an Apr. 6, 2006 report entitled "Immigration Enforcement Within the United States," offered the following:
"The INA [Immigration and Nationality Act] includes both criminal and civil components, providing both for criminal charges (e.g., alien smuggling, which is prosecuted in the federal courts) and for civil violations (e.g., lack of legal status, which may lead to removal through a separate administrative system in the Department of Justice). Being illegally present in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the INA, and subsequent deportation and associated administrative processes are civil proceedings. For instance, a lawfully admitted nonimmigrant alien may become deportable if his visitor's visa expires or if his student status changes. Criminal violations of the INA, on the other hand, include felonies and misdemeanors and are prosecuted in federal district courts. These types of violations include the bringing in and harboring of certain undocumented aliens, the illegal entry of aliens, and the reentry of aliens previously excluded or deported." |
http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000781
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http://www.nj.com/morristown/index.ssf/2008/04/christie_clarifies_illegal_imm.html
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In response to a question from an audience member, Christie said that immigrants are not committing a crime by being in the country illegally.
Monday, Christie said that while entering the country illegally is considered a federal misdemeanor, simply lacking legal immigration status is a civil violation.
"I can only enforce the laws that they give me," Christie said at the forum sponsored by the Latino Leadership Alliance of New Jersey and the First United Methodist Church of Dover.
Christie's comment drew criticism from Morristown Mayor and Democratic congressional candidate Donald C. Cresitello, as well as scores of comments on Internet message boards.
Critics called his statements incorrect, and indicative of a lax approach to immigration enforcement by the federal government.
Monday, Christie's office is sued a written statement defending the comments, saying they accurately reflected federal law.
"He did not say, nor did he mean, that entering this country through any means other than the appropriate immigration channels is a lawful act," the statement read. "It is not."
The controversy has highlighted one of the most widely misunderstood aspects of immigration law.
Q: Christie said immigrants in the county illegally are not automatically committing a crime by their presence. Is that true?
A: Yes. "Illegal presence" as the offense is called, is not a violation of the U.S. criminal code. A person cannot be sent to prison for being here without authorization from immigration authorities. It is, however, a violation of civil immigration laws, for which the federal government can impose civil penalties, namely deportation.
Q: But he was later asked a hypothetical question about someone sneaking across the border and said that's not a crime either. Is that true, too?
A: No. "Improper entry by an alien" as it is called, is a violation of Title 8 of the U.S. criminal code punishable by a fine of between $50 and $250 and/or a maximum of six months in jail.
It is considered difficult to prosecute because unless authorities catch someone in the act of crossing the border, it is easier to just deport them than spend the time and money needed to prove how they crossed the border. Even in border states, first-time offenders are rarely prosecuted because the court system would be inundated with millions of cases. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Muslims are a ticking time bomb. Most are law-abiding but ultimately their communities are led and directed by extreme elements. Their aim is to make the whole world islamic and they've certainly succeeded with half the globe already. Non-muslim immigrants are fine though. |
The funny thing about this is that most of North America's homegrown terrorists have mostly belonged to YouTube communities. |
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