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Scorpion
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| In 2010 no fewer than 2,400 Koreans died from the disease. And how is TB spread? Why by spitting, sneezing and coughing around other people, of course. |
So you're saying that people in other countries don't cough or sneeze or spit (I've known more than a few spitters back home), heck on any pitch or jogging trail you'll see people spitting. Covering your cough with your hand is minimally effective at best. I don't think that's what has caused it.
But you are right, Korean culture is at play here, but not in the way you think. Looking at MERS and TB, there is one indicator that both share as being strongly linked to infection- prolonged exposure within a confined area. In MERS it has been suggested that the tendency of loved ones to care for, rather than be isolated from those that are in hospital may have contributed to the spread. I suspect that is at play as well in TB.
I do have to ask, other countries have higher rates than Korea for other diseases and causes of death. Do you judge them with the same scrutiny? Do you endeavor to point out their hypocrisies as well? Or do you hold Korea to a different, more rigid standard of examination.
Dave's basher rule- Any accident back home is an accident, the result of an individual's mistakes. Any accident, heck even any event, in Korea is somehow tied to culture, the result of the culture of a country and the collective behavior of everyone.
Saying you aren't bigoted simply because you are attacking "culture" and not "race" is ridiculous. Many people are bigoted and they've just switch "culture" for "race". |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Qonny
Joined: 28 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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In MERS it has been suggested that the tendency of loved ones to care for, rather than be isolated from those that are in hospital may have contributed to the spread. I suspect that is at play as well in TB. |
The old "It's because Koreans love their families more" excuse. Haven't heard that one since I was chided for suggesting that having a group of 5 year olds running around a restaurant at 11.30pm on a weekday wasn't the best parenting technique I had seen
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| I do have to ask, other countries have higher rates than Korea for other diseases and causes of death. Do you judge them with the same scrutiny? Do you endeavor to point out their hypocrisies as well? Or do you hold Korea to a different, more rigid standard of examination. |
Are you really that dopey? This is a forum about Korea. So, shockingly enough, members tend to discuss Korea, Korean issues and problems.
Why would we have a long drawn out discussion on the issues of malaria in Panama? Seeing as we neither live nor work in Panama. It would be kind of pointless. Unless you really had an interest in Panama. Or perhaps were looking to work in Panama.
Me? I'm not going to Panama anytime soon. Maybe you are Steelrails. If so, maybe find a a Panamanian forum to bring up the topic on the issue of malaria in Panama. But beware! You will labeled as a racist, by dense idiots such as yourself. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-koreas-legacy-battle-with-tuberculosis/ |
This article is the end of this thread. I wonder how much longer it'll go on. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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There's plenty that can be done, however, to prevent it from spreading further. How is it spread, again? How many Koreans are potentially at risk of spreading it? How do you imagine the kid in the story contracted it? What are your thoughts on the doctor's response to the kid's enquiry about how he came down with it?
It's all related to Korea's "F" grade in public hygiene. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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There's plenty that can be done, however, to prevent it from spreading further. How is it spread, again? How many Koreans are potentially at risk of spreading it? How do you imagine the kid in the story contracted it? What are your thoughts on the doctor's response to the kid's enquiry about how he came down with it?
It's all related to Korea's "F" grade in public hygiene. |
An estimated 13,712 people in USA with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012.
AIDS is related to hygiene. If Korea gets an "F" grade, then USA gets an "X". |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:58 am Post subject: |
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The old "It's because Koreans love their families more" excuse. Haven't heard that one since I was chided for suggesting that having a group of 5 year olds running around a restaurant at 11.30pm on a weekday wasn't the best parenting technique I had seen
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No, that's not an excuse, it's an explanation. It's a cultural practice that needs to stop in cases where the loved one in question has an infectious disease. It's fine when granny has a broken hip. It's not when she has pneumonia or TB.
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| Are you really that dopey? This is a forum about Korea. So, shockingly enough, members tend to discuss Korea, Korean issues and problems. |
And the OP directly compared Korea to other countries. Why don't you yell at him for doing so?
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| How is it spread, again? How many Koreans are potentially at risk of spreading it? |
Being in close proximity to someone who has it is a big indicator. Those small apartments and sharing the same room as grandma probably are a big source. After that comes dumb luck.
How does someone back home get TB? Usually bad luck.
If spitting and TB were as dramatically linked as you are making it out to be, people would be keeling over left and right. The number that die each year would be far, far greater. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:04 am Post subject: |
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HIV is spread mostly by poor lifestyle choices, not hygeine.
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There's plenty that can be done, however, to prevent it from spreading further. How is it spread, again? How many Koreans are potentially at risk of spreading it? How do you imagine the kid in the story contracted it? What are your thoughts on the doctor's response to the kid's enquiry about how he came down with it?
It's all related to Korea's "F" grade in public hygiene. |
An estimated 13,712 people in USA with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012.
AIDS is related to hygiene. If Korea gets an "F" grade, then USA gets an "X". |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:17 am Post subject: |
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By dictionary definition, hygeine: practices (as of cleanliness) conducive to health.
While a person is alive, the person chooses to do something, or chooses to avoid doing something that affects their health positively or negatively.
In other words, lifestyle choices can be the exact same thing as hygeine, or lack of hygeine.
In other words, whatever type of hygeine a person practices, that is the person's (lifestyle) choice.
In other words, some lifestyle choices are hygeinic, and some are not.
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HIV is spread mostly by poor lifestyle choices, not hygeine.
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There's plenty that can be done, however, to prevent it from spreading further. How is it spread, again? How many Koreans are potentially at risk of spreading it? How do you imagine the kid in the story contracted it? What are your thoughts on the doctor's response to the kid's enquiry about how he came down with it?
It's all related to Korea's "F" grade in public hygiene. |
An estimated 13,712 people in USA with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012.
AIDS is related to hygiene. If Korea gets an "F" grade, then USA gets an "X". |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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HIV is caused by private behavior, and the participants know the risks. They're not going around spitting blood all over the streets, or otherwise recklessly endangering the general public. People who sneeze, cough and spit everywhere are. It is selfish, reckless public behavior. If Korean old people want to sneeze and cough over each other in private I have no complaints. But once they start sneezing on me it's a different ball game.
And if the majority of TB carriers in Korea are old folk, surely they've a responsible not to spit, sneeze and cough over everybody else. But we know that the exact opposite is too often the reality.
To pretend that public hygiene in America gets an "X" against Korea's "F" is just unbelievably stupid. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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HIV is caused by private behavior, and the participants know the risks. They're not going around spitting blood all over the streets, or otherwise recklessly endangering the general public. People who sneeze, cough and spit everywhere are. It is selfish, reckless public behavior. If Korean old people want to sneeze and cough over each other in private I have no complaints. But once they start sneezing on me it's a different ball game.
And if the majority of TB carriers in Korea are old folk, surely they've a responsible not to spit, sneeze and cough over everybody else. But we know that the exact opposite is too often the reality.
To pretend that public hygiene in America gets an "X" against Korea's "F" is just unbelievably stupid. |
There are people with HIV who flat out don't care and don't tell anyone. Particularly among the IV drug populace, who lets face is aren't exactly in complete control of their faculties.
Anyways, the outrage over the sneezing and coughing is not proportional to the level of risk associated with it. It's like screaming that someone going 5kph over the speed limit is a dangerous reckless driver and responsible for all the traffic accidents in the country.
For some, its not about actual safety, its about finding something they can rage about so they can direct their anger at something and to locate something they can use to put down the local populace in order to make themselves feel better. |
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Scorpion
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I caught chicken pox in Korea. I was in quarantine for a week. How the heck to you think that happened?
Noone is over-reacting here. There's a reason why the WHO tells people to cover their mouths and not to spit. Compared to their verdict your opinion is of the greatest insignificance. If you disagree, take it up with them. |
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guavashake
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| just unbelievably stupid |
Someone may think the same or worse about you, but they don't advertise it... |
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GEOM
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:44 am Post subject: |
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That's a pretty interesting read. Shows that outbreaks don't always spread due to bad hygiene. |
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