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(r)od.yssey



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:36 pm    Post subject: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

Hey guys, had a question:

I'm a 29yo male American. I currently have 3 weeks left of an in-class CELTA course im taking in America. ( i have a 4 year degree in Fine Arts and some experience teaching, nothing formal)

I am leaving in September to travel to the Himalaya region to hike/travel for 3 months.

My plan (in a perfect world) would be to go to Korea directly from Nepal and get a teaching job.

I think i procrastinated a bit too much because it looks like the EPIK process takes about 2-4mo for the spring registration?

So..
1. Do you think its possible to apply to EPIK in Korea in a reasonably short amount of time? (i have a budget to last me around 3mo in Korea (living modestly)

2. Does anyone have any experience landing a teaching job after arriving to Korea? Is this a feasable thing for a first-timer? or am i better off apply in the US beforehand?

3. As far as recruitment agencies go, are there any recommended ones to use in Korea once i arrive?

* dont have a major preference between cities/country-side...more interested in finding something dependable and decent for my first year teaching abroad.

Thanks a lot guys!
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should help a lot....

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewforum.php?f=7
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem lies in your documents like the FBI check with an apostille affixed.

It is difficult and time consuming to obtain from abroad and has a shelf life of 6 calendar months from date of issue.
6 months +1 day and you start again.

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Fallacy



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

(r)od.yssey wrote:
My plan (in a perfect world) would be to go to Korea directly from Nepal and get a teaching job.

I think this should read as: "My plan (in a perfect world) would be to get a teaching job first, then go to Nepal and later to Korea directly."
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isitts



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

Fallacy wrote:
(r)od.yssey wrote:
My plan (in a perfect world) would be to go to Korea directly from Nepal and get a teaching job.

I think this should read as: "My plan (in a perfect world) would be to get a teaching job first, then go to Nepal and later to Korea directly."

What? That actually makes less sense.

How about getting a teaching job in Korea first, then going backpacking in Nepal?
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Fallacy



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hoped that was what I had written, but since my words caused confusion, let me clarify. First, get the job in Korea all lined up from the USA. Second, travel to Nepal from the USA and have fun backpacking. Last, leave Nepal and travel to Korea to start that job.
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isitts



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallacy wrote:
I hoped that was what I had written, but since my words caused confusion, let me clarify. First, get the job in Korea all lined up from the USA. Second, travel to Nepal from the USA and have fun backpacking. Last, leave Nepal and travel to Korea to start that job.

I see. Actually, what I wrote was unclear, too. Embarassed I meant to get the job and teach in Korea first, then go hiking in Nepal.

Your idea is also fine in a perfect world, but as it is, I doubt he’ll have three months free between the time he secures a job and the time he starts teaching.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallacy wrote:
I hoped that was what I had written, but since my words caused confusion, let me clarify. First, get the job in Korea all lined up from the USA. Second, travel to Nepal from the USA and have fun backpacking. Last, leave Nepal and travel to Korea to start that job.


Fourth, arrive in Korea and discover that job has been axed.
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isitts



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

(r)od.yssey wrote:
So..
1. Do you think its possible to apply to EPIK in Korea in a reasonably short amount of time? (i have a budget to last me around 3mo in Korea (living modestly)

2. Does anyone have any experience landing a teaching job after arriving to Korea? Is this a feasable thing for a first-timer? or am i better off apply in the US beforehand?

3. As far as recruitment agencies go, are there any recommended ones to use in Korea once i arrive?

1. If you already have an E-2 visa from your previous job here, it is. At least with GEPIK. EPIK is on a fairly formalized timeline for hiring. Even if it is possible, you’ll need to do a visa run, pretty sure.

2. I don’t, but I’m pretty sure as a first timer, you’ll need to interview at the Korean Consulate in your home country before coming. Not positive on that. But I think better to apply in the US beforehand.

3. I recommend Korvia (especially if you’re looking at G/EPIK). However, I’m trying to imagine the scenario of you arriving after hiking in Nepal (or thereabouts) for three months with all the necessary documents in hand (all nice and neat), and not have the appearance that you’ve been hiking for three months. Even if it’s doable, you lose three months off the life span of your FBI check.

Not saying it can’t be done, but I think it would be difficult. Personally, I’d teach in Korea first, then do the hiking. You’ll have saved a good chunk of change to finance it, and the hike may help you detox from your stint here.

Another option…Why not just continue on SE from Nepal and pick up jobs on your way to Vietnam? Unless things have changed radically, pretty sure arriving in country is the way to get jobs there. Can’t say for the countries in between. Having the CELTA will help you out. Just don’t get it dirty on your hike. Wink
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(r)od.yssey



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

1. If you already have an E-2 visa from your previous job here, it is. At least with GEPIK. EPIK is on a fairly formalized timeline for hiring. Even if it is possible, you’ll need to do a visa run, pretty sure.

2. I don’t, but I’m pretty sure as a first timer, you’ll need to interview at the Korean Consulate in your home country before coming. Not positive on that. But I think better to apply in the US beforehand.

3. I recommend Korvia (especially if you’re looking at G/EPIK). However, I’m trying to imagine the scenario of you arriving after hiking in Nepal (or thereabouts) for three months with all the necessary documents in hand (all nice and neat), and not have the appearance that you’ve been hiking for three months. Even if it’s doable, you lose three months off the life span of your FBI check.

Not saying it can’t be done, but I think it would be difficult. Personally, I’d teach in Korea first, then do the hiking. You’ll have saved a good chunk of change to finance it, and the hike may help you detox from your stint here.

Another option…Why not just continue on SE from Nepal and pick up jobs on your way to Vietnam? Unless things have changed radically, pretty sure arriving in country is the way to get jobs there. Can’t say for the countries in between. Having the CELTA will help you out. Just don’t get it dirty on your hike. Wink[/quote]

Thanks a lot for the input.

yea i am reading about the FBI check...and it looks like EPIK apps for spring semester will be closing soon.

**i know, the planning here is lacking, i might need to rethink my plan.

You're right, i have also been looking into Vietnam/Thailand/Taiwan and it looks like, these places are better suited to find work after arrival to the country.

Maybe I will shoot Korvia an email and see what they suggest. I am thinking about the possibility of prepping my documents and have someone ship them to me once im in Korea. It will be costly, but might be worth it because i have my heart set on the Himalayas first.

Thanks again
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject: Re: Applying beforehand vs in-country? Reply with quote

(r)od.yssey wrote:
Hey guys, had a question:

I'm a 29yo male American. I currently have 3 weeks left of an in-class CELTA course im taking in America. ( i have a 4 year degree in Fine Arts and some experience teaching, nothing formal)

I am leaving in September to travel to the Himalaya region to hike/travel for 3 months.

My plan (in a perfect world) would be to go to Korea directly from Nepal and get a teaching job.

I think i procrastinated a bit too much because it looks like the EPIK process takes about 2-4mo for the spring registration?

So..
1. Do you think its possible to apply to EPIK in Korea in a reasonably short amount of time? (i have a budget to last me around 3mo in Korea (living modestly)

2. Does anyone have any experience landing a teaching job after arriving to Korea? Is this a feasable thing for a first-timer? or am i better off apply in the US beforehand?

3. As far as recruitment agencies go, are there any recommended ones to use in Korea once i arrive?

* dont have a major preference between cities/country-side...more interested in finding something dependable and decent for my first year teaching abroad.

Thanks a lot guys!



It's more convenient to apply from home but in that case they won't likely hire you 3 months in advance. And if they do, you still won't know for sure that your job will waiting for you when you arrive. They could just as easily hire someone else in the meantime.

If you have money to support yourself for a while (a month or two) then you can search for jobs while you're in Korea. If you do that, I recommend finding a cheap place to stay in Seoul. There you'll find the most recruiters. Send out a form letter to every recruiters you can find (they are all just as good/shady as each other) and tell them the following.
-you have all your papers ready (list them and offer to send scanned image)
-you're in Seoul and are available for interviews in person
-you want to start ASAP and you don't care which city or whether it's in the countryside.
-you don't need flight money but expect the employer to pay for the visa run to Japan. If you're really desperate then say that you'll pay for it. (Shouldn't cost more than $500 for flight and accommodation packages.)

Most of the jobs they have will be for places in or around Seoul, but a few will have jobs available in other areas. Whether you're willing to go there for an interview is up to you but for the first few weeks I would stick to interviews in Seoul or near a subway station in the satellite cities.
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(r)od.yssey



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for the tips guys.

Thanks Troglodyte, that sounds like a good plan considering my situation.

Do you think it is worth sending out applications/resume now even though im still in the process of getting my CELTA certificate?
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Fallacy



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(r)od.yssey wrote:
Do you think it is worth sending out applications/resume now even though im still in the process of getting my CELTA certificate?

ABA: always be applying. In conjunction with ABL: always be looking. And of course ABC: always be closing. Keep your eyes on the prize. This is why going to Nepal for a hike will be difficult while your application is in process. Recruiters in the world, and the ROK especially, are notorious for last-minute everything, so how will they be able to contact you in real-time in rareified air? You need to wrap it up with a bow before you attempt anything else, and as other posters have explained, that will realistically only happen just minutes before you step onto an airplane bound for the ROK. Or so you might be led to think:

tophatcat wrote:
Fourth, arrive in Korea and discover that job has been axed.

I would suggest erasing any "in a perfect world" scenario from your mind, and proceeding with something more like the exact opposite scenario in your mind instead, as isitts also intimated. A load of alternative, back-up, and just-in-case plans need to be put in place as a hedge. What is your priority here? Working? Or hiking? No matter what the prize is to you, focus on getting that bird in hand before gazing off to the bird in the bush. Unless you are adept at 2 bird grabbing simutaneously with both hands! Regardless of the outcome, keep us posted, as we will all be interested, enlightened, entertained and amused by what happens next. Good luck.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to go hiking then go hiking.
If you want to work in EFL after hiking then go to SE Asia where jobs are found "on the ground".

BE AWARE that you WILL NEED a police clearance (even for Thailand now) to get a visa as a teacher.

Some countries, like Korea, also have requirements like the apostille AND the documents have a limited shelf life as well as being difficult to obtain when abroad.

Personally I would suggest that you choose one or the other.
a) Go hiking, return home, get a job in Korea. The employer will likely fly you from the states back to Korea.

b) Get a job in Korea, earn some cash, take a few months off and go hiking. Move on to the next option.

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(r)od.yssey



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice guys. Yes we will see what happens.

I'm just going to apply and research as much as possible. And if i have to come back to the states before getting a teaching position, thats what i will do.

Im talking to reachtoteach right now, their representative is saying that its possible even in my short of time frame though it would prob have to be a hagwon..we will see. ill let you know what happens/doesnt happen.
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