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[Fallacy]

I agree. Until all the borders are closed, militaries go on the march, and an actual fighting, killing war breaks out, the EU will be fine.

[chellovek]

Yeah fun use of a false-dichotomy there. You'd need to be a moron not to see that, dodgy and imperfect as it is, the worst things we now have going on are Commission arseholes.

The fact that there is even this topic shows how well it has done. Moron lives in the most peaceful period of European history ever. "derp derp, forming this was a mistake"

[Fallacy]

Forming the EU was a proposed resolution to a myriad of problems, and was clearly a success, not a mistake. All the review of history about the Muslim armies and Crusades is interesting, yet currently none of that is contemporaneous. Until Islamic militaries go on the march against the closed borders of the EU, and actual war is declared, the EU will carry on according to design, and criticisms of its existence will continue in peace.

[Swartz]

The EU is currently the greatest threat to Europe. Central planning has profoundly negative effects on individual societies, which is why it has been warned against for centuries. When sovereignty is ceded to globalist bureaucrats and central bankers, it gives them the power to do things like flood vassal states with Muslims and punish any who refuse to adhere to their policies. The goal of the central authority is to destroy group loyalty and national culture, thereby reducing liberty, autonomy, and localism. Don’t be fooled, the world wars were very much about international communism vs nationalism; nationalism lost, but is now finally beginning to rear its (not so ugly) head again due to the policies of central planners. This will be an uphill battle, but strong nationalist movements that oppose EU interference will be necessary for Europe as we know it to survive.

Debating the perceived benefits that come with international unions becomes irrelevant when the inevitable, malevolent misuse of power these institutions wield wreak havoc on the nations under their control. Central planners receive their power and authority from central banks, in this case, the ECB. Central banks fuel a sense of prosperity because they are based on the debt-money system, but this is an illusion that will eventually fail – and by the looks of things, that is happening as we speak. Central banks can no longer prop up the dying western economies they’ve created through consumerism and debt, so their last move is to flood western economies with cheap labor and chaos, and take as much as they can before it all comes crashing down. Which it will, soon, for the betterment of all of us who admire and respect European diversity, culture, and heritage.

[Fallacy]

Was forming the EU a mistake? No. Does it seem so now? Perhaps, as debate on this thread has shown, but that is answer to a different question: Is continuing the EU a mistake?

[Fallacy]

[Swartz]

The EU will crumble in due time. The real question is what will happen after that. This is about money … it’s always about money. The central banking fiat debt system uses money like a drug to control its vassal states. If you try to get out of its grasp, it will threaten to take everything you own and send you back to the dark ages, as we saw in Greece this summer. But once Greece goes, so will Italy, then Spain, France, and so on -- because they are all nose-deep in debt -- leaving Germany up shitscreek (by design).

Theoretically, in a perfect world, they could just nationalize their banking systems, print their own currencies again, and be back to normal in a few years; but it’s not a perfect world and the internal business, politics, etc., of those nations, and nearly every nation on earth for that matter, is tied to and controlled by America’s own central banking system -- the head of the snake: the Fed.

Since the ECB and the Fed print money out of thin air that is backed by squat and squadoosh, it’s just a waiting game; could happen in three days, could be a slow collapse for another twenty years. Either way, the American Empire is in obvious decay and will be taking Europe down with it. (Another reason why central planning is a bad idea – the bigger they are, the harder they fall … or erupt into tyranny.) The greatest concern is what lengths is the US willing go to, what wars is it willing to fight, in order to keep some semblance of its empire together. Let’s hope it goes softly into the night. Europe should be aligned with Russia anyway, especially now that Russia has its mojo back after being bogged down for decades by, fundamentally, the same centrally planned, communist system.

[Neil]

[northway]

Having a party when you're 17 and your folks are away for the weekend isn't necessarily a bad idea. Inviting everybody always is.

[Fallacy]

See the film "Project X" for reference.

[chellovek]

[Neil]

If you can't have a drink without throwing a tantrum on the internet then maybe, just maybe it's time to think about quitting the booze before it becomes even more of a problem for you and your family.

Just a thought.

[tophatcat]

[Plain Meaning]

[Swartz]

The centralization of the *monetary/financial system* is the issue. Once that is established, controlling anything else of interest can be accomplished with relative ease. The EU is not simply “governmental centralization” – whatever the perpetually misinformed Plain Meaning thinks he means by that. This is about the power and influence of the ECB, BIS, IMF, and their Washington puppet masters at the fed, Goldman Sachs, and so on. The most powerful person in Europe is not a politician; it is the vampire squid’s own spawn, Mario Draghi. Powerful financial entities simply use the EU as a bureaucratic web of control.