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chellovek
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 Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Ultra-Reactionary Left (?) |
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/the_ultrareactionary_left.html
What I am wondering, is, why does the article not provide a comparable demonstration regarding the far-right? Fascism and Totalitarianism are both far-right ideologies, where as the Welfare State, Socialism and Communism are left and far-left...or so I am told.
Excluding that, I found it interesting. Perhaps extremities on each "side" of the "left/right paradigm" simply joined forces? |
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Totalitarianism is not an ideology.
It is not a system of thought, merely a method.
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Something about "betas".
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Swartz
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| Leon wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
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If Americans did actually travel to Sweden or South Korea in any large numbers and see what was out there, we would turn our back on much of conservative doctrine. |
I understand what you wrote in relation to Sweden |
It is incredible how misinformed people become when they receive their news from the liberal news media. Sweden is not your bastion of liberal success anymore, friends. It was the ultimate guinea pig and is the farthest along in the experiment, and is also on the brink of collapse. It’s estimated that a quarter to a third of Sweden’s population is now comprised of foreigners. Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city, is a Muslim dumping ground with soaring crime rates, riots, no-go zones, and regular hand grenade attacks against police and businesses, and many of the Swedes have fled. Oh, you haven’t read about that in HuffPo? How surprising. This is why the Swedish Democrats, the nationalist party that is constantly ridiculed in the media as racist “Nazis”, is now the most popular political party.
In order to survive in climates like Sweden, an altruistic social structure was absolutely necessary and straying from the group meant certain death. So Scandinavians and other N. European groups evolved to be exceedingly open and welcoming. However, this dynamic has been hijacked, and now, due to constant propaganda, being stigmatized as racist means committing social suicide; though, by bringing in third world savages who share none of those social properties or value systems, in order to not stray from the groupthink, the nation commits cultural suicide.
Short clip about the causes of Sweden's suicide that should be watched by everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
Podcast with heretical Swedes on the impending collapse: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/10/RIR-151023.php
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| Swartz, if the pure meaning of fascism is the merger of state and corporate power, what takes it off tbe far-right line? |
Jonah Goldberg misappropriated the term “Liberal Fascism” but it can be aptly applied here. That’s essentially what the West is experiencing. |
How about we make a bet. I bet you $5 imaginary dollars that Sweden will not actually collapse- game? |
It's starting to look like I should have taken you up on that bet, Leon.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/31/sweden-facing-collapse-thanks-migrant-influx-foreign-minister-warns/
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Sweden is facing collapse thanks to the recent huge influx of migrants into the country, the Swedish foreign minister has said. As 190,000 migrants this year alone pour into the country, law and order is beginning to break down as the country plays witness to numerous arson attacks, stabbings and gang rapes.
The Swedish foreign minister Margot Wallstrom has warned that Sweden, a country of just 9.8 million people, cannot continue to take migrants at the present rate without services breaking down. In an interview, Mrs Wallstrom said: “I think most people feel that we cannot maintain a system where perhaps 190,000 people will arrive every year – in the long run, our system will collapse.
“And that welcome is not going to receive popular support.”
She has called on other European Union member states to take on more migrants in a bid to relieve pressure within her own country, but said: “I have to admit that there have been moments recently of very great disappointment. I have heard statements from member states that have been completely astonishing and very discouraging.”
Once thought of as one of Europe’s most peaceful nations, Sweden is rapidly becoming a fragmented nation, at war with itself. Almost 26.8 per cent of the population is now foreign born or has at least one foreign born parent. With no way to assimilate such large numbers, the outcome has been the creation of ghettos in which crime and extremism are allowed to flourish.
Malmo, which just two years ago played host to that most unifying of events, the Eurovision Song Contest, now has “no-go zones.” Last month, retired Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson told Breitbart London: “We have a number of no-go-zones in Sweden and they are expanding… police can go to these places, but you have to take precautions.
“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.”
He added: “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.
The city has also seen grenade attacks similar in style to those seen in the middle east, gang rapes, and fatal shootings.
Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism.
The downward spiral has been tracked over the past few years by The Sweden Report, run by an anonymous Swedish-American blogger.
“Today, it’s as if the inmates are running the asylum,” he posted recently. “The politicians are participating in a chicken race of “goodness” where everybody tries to one-up each other in caring for the citizens of OTHER countries while Swedish retirees, school children, handicapped and other vulnerable categories of people are thoroughly ignored. Violence is exploding. Jihadist Trojan horses are flowing through the porous border along with the tens of thousands ID-less refugees.
“There simply is no possible way to absorb and assimilate such volumes of people, period. You are merely creating ethnic enclaves, which due to incompatible language, culture and job skills become ghettos, which in turns brews crime, misery and extremism. Once the inflow has exceeded the capacity for absorbtion, further immigration only makes the problem worse.
“When I was a child, Sweden was a dull yet very safe place to live. Yes, there was a heavy blanket of socialism and collectivist values covering everything, but there was a core of pragmatism beneath the redness.
“[Now] I am leaving Sweden for good, and will no longer be following its descent from what was once the third most prosperous country in the world. Frankly, it’s just too damn depressing.” |
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trueblue
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I'm glad I'll be gone before this demographic prediction becomes reality. It would sicken me to visit Europe and witness this change--truly.
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A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
by Adrian Michaels, The Telegraph
August 8, 2009
LONDON: Last year, five per cent of the total population of the 27 EU countries was Muslim. But rising levels of immigration from Muslim countries and low birth rates among Europe's indigenous population mean that, by 2050, the figure will be 20 per cent, according to forecasts.
Data gathered from various sources indicate that Britain, Spain and Holland will have an even higher proportion of Muslims in a shorter amount of time.
The UK, which currently has 20 million fewer people than Germany, is also projected to be the EU's most populous country by 2060, with 77 million people.
The findings have led to allegations that policy-makers are failing to confront the widespread challenges of the "demographic time bomb".
Experts say that there has been a lack of debate on how the population changes will affect areas of life from education and housing to foreign policy and pensions.
Although some polls have pointed to a lack of radicalisation in the Muslim community, little attention is being given to the integration of migrants, it is claimed, with fears of social unrest in years to come. |
But of course the Dutch nationalist who openly protests this trend and those like him will continue to be derided as neo-Nazis and the socialists will continue to swell with pride over how multicultural and open to the outside world Europeans have become. Meanwhile, the liberties they take for granted will be called into question, ignored, and even challenged all in the name of diversity by those who main purpose for emigrating was to seek a better economic life only. As with many illegal Mexican immigrants to the U.S., they will live in their cloistered communities like fiefdoms within the State, often fomenting distrust for and even contempt of Western liberalism. Some among them will gravitate toward jihadists and will be increasingly difficult to monitor their comings and goings. And ultimately, one doesn't need to be a doomsayer to see that Western civilization itself will come under threat, and there will be a crisis of ethos.
Yet back in the lands from which these Muslims hail, little progress in gender apartheid will have been made and no reciprocal effort will have been made to welcome Christians to even the slightest of the same extent. And were it to come to pass by some miracle of economic rejuvenation in one of the more enlightened Gulf States, the very same European socialists will condemn it as neo-colonialism, not for a moment labeling the same among Muslims in Europe. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
If Americans did actually travel to Sweden or South Korea in any large numbers and see what was out there, we would turn our back on much of conservative doctrine. |
I understand what you wrote in relation to Sweden |
It is incredible how misinformed people become when they receive their news from the liberal news media. Sweden is not your bastion of liberal success anymore, friends. It was the ultimate guinea pig and is the farthest along in the experiment, and is also on the brink of collapse. It’s estimated that a quarter to a third of Sweden’s population is now comprised of foreigners. Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city, is a Muslim dumping ground with soaring crime rates, riots, no-go zones, and regular hand grenade attacks against police and businesses, and many of the Swedes have fled. Oh, you haven’t read about that in HuffPo? How surprising. This is why the Swedish Democrats, the nationalist party that is constantly ridiculed in the media as racist “Nazis”, is now the most popular political party.
In order to survive in climates like Sweden, an altruistic social structure was absolutely necessary and straying from the group meant certain death. So Scandinavians and other N. European groups evolved to be exceedingly open and welcoming. However, this dynamic has been hijacked, and now, due to constant propaganda, being stigmatized as racist means committing social suicide; though, by bringing in third world savages who share none of those social properties or value systems, in order to not stray from the groupthink, the nation commits cultural suicide.
Short clip about the causes of Sweden's suicide that should be watched by everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
Podcast with heretical Swedes on the impending collapse: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/10/RIR-151023.php
| trueblue wrote: |
| Swartz, if the pure meaning of fascism is the merger of state and corporate power, what takes it off tbe far-right line? |
Jonah Goldberg misappropriated the term “Liberal Fascism” but it can be aptly applied here. That’s essentially what the West is experiencing. |
How about we make a bet. I bet you $5 imaginary dollars that Sweden will not actually collapse- game? |
It's starting to look like I should have taken you up on that bet, Leon.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/31/sweden-facing-collapse-thanks-migrant-influx-foreign-minister-warns/
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Sweden is facing collapse thanks to the recent huge influx of migrants into the country, the Swedish foreign minister has said. As 190,000 migrants this year alone pour into the country, law and order is beginning to break down as the country plays witness to numerous arson attacks, stabbings and gang rapes.
The Swedish foreign minister Margot Wallstrom has warned that Sweden, a country of just 9.8 million people, cannot continue to take migrants at the present rate without services breaking down. In an interview, Mrs Wallstrom said: “I think most people feel that we cannot maintain a system where perhaps 190,000 people will arrive every year – in the long run, our system will collapse.
“And that welcome is not going to receive popular support.”
She has called on other European Union member states to take on more migrants in a bid to relieve pressure within her own country, but said: “I have to admit that there have been moments recently of very great disappointment. I have heard statements from member states that have been completely astonishing and very discouraging.”
Once thought of as one of Europe’s most peaceful nations, Sweden is rapidly becoming a fragmented nation, at war with itself. Almost 26.8 per cent of the population is now foreign born or has at least one foreign born parent. With no way to assimilate such large numbers, the outcome has been the creation of ghettos in which crime and extremism are allowed to flourish.
Malmo, which just two years ago played host to that most unifying of events, the Eurovision Song Contest, now has “no-go zones.” Last month, retired Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson told Breitbart London: “We have a number of no-go-zones in Sweden and they are expanding… police can go to these places, but you have to take precautions.
“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.”
He added: “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.
The city has also seen grenade attacks similar in style to those seen in the middle east, gang rapes, and fatal shootings.
Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism.
The downward spiral has been tracked over the past few years by The Sweden Report, run by an anonymous Swedish-American blogger.
“Today, it’s as if the inmates are running the asylum,” he posted recently. “The politicians are participating in a chicken race of “goodness” where everybody tries to one-up each other in caring for the citizens of OTHER countries while Swedish retirees, school children, handicapped and other vulnerable categories of people are thoroughly ignored. Violence is exploding. Jihadist Trojan horses are flowing through the porous border along with the tens of thousands ID-less refugees.
“There simply is no possible way to absorb and assimilate such volumes of people, period. You are merely creating ethnic enclaves, which due to incompatible language, culture and job skills become ghettos, which in turns brews crime, misery and extremism. Once the inflow has exceeded the capacity for absorbtion, further immigration only makes the problem worse.
“When I was a child, Sweden was a dull yet very safe place to live. Yes, there was a heavy blanket of socialism and collectivist values covering everything, but there was a core of pragmatism beneath the redness.
“[Now] I am leaving Sweden for good, and will no longer be following its descent from what was once the third most prosperous country in the world. Frankly, it’s just too damn depressing.” |
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If you can find a source other than Brietbart (which deserves to get dismissed out of hand as poorly written propaganda for the lowest common denominator), than perhaps you have something. Is it possible they will have some trouble, yes, collapse, no, impossible, unless you have a very liberal definition of collapse. |
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Swartz
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| Leon wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
If Americans did actually travel to Sweden or South Korea in any large numbers and see what was out there, we would turn our back on much of conservative doctrine. |
I understand what you wrote in relation to Sweden |
It is incredible how misinformed people become when they receive their news from the liberal news media. Sweden is not your bastion of liberal success anymore, friends. It was the ultimate guinea pig and is the farthest along in the experiment, and is also on the brink of collapse. It’s estimated that a quarter to a third of Sweden’s population is now comprised of foreigners. Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city, is a Muslim dumping ground with soaring crime rates, riots, no-go zones, and regular hand grenade attacks against police and businesses, and many of the Swedes have fled. Oh, you haven’t read about that in HuffPo? How surprising. This is why the Swedish Democrats, the nationalist party that is constantly ridiculed in the media as racist “Nazis”, is now the most popular political party.
In order to survive in climates like Sweden, an altruistic social structure was absolutely necessary and straying from the group meant certain death. So Scandinavians and other N. European groups evolved to be exceedingly open and welcoming. However, this dynamic has been hijacked, and now, due to constant propaganda, being stigmatized as racist means committing social suicide; though, by bringing in third world savages who share none of those social properties or value systems, in order to not stray from the groupthink, the nation commits cultural suicide.
Short clip about the causes of Sweden's suicide that should be watched by everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
Podcast with heretical Swedes on the impending collapse: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/10/RIR-151023.php
| trueblue wrote: |
| Swartz, if the pure meaning of fascism is the merger of state and corporate power, what takes it off tbe far-right line? |
Jonah Goldberg misappropriated the term “Liberal Fascism” but it can be aptly applied here. That’s essentially what the West is experiencing. |
How about we make a bet. I bet you $5 imaginary dollars that Sweden will not actually collapse- game? |
It's starting to look like I should have taken you up on that bet, Leon.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/31/sweden-facing-collapse-thanks-migrant-influx-foreign-minister-warns/
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Sweden is facing collapse thanks to the recent huge influx of migrants into the country, the Swedish foreign minister has said. As 190,000 migrants this year alone pour into the country, law and order is beginning to break down as the country plays witness to numerous arson attacks, stabbings and gang rapes.
The Swedish foreign minister Margot Wallstrom has warned that Sweden, a country of just 9.8 million people, cannot continue to take migrants at the present rate without services breaking down. In an interview, Mrs Wallstrom said: “I think most people feel that we cannot maintain a system where perhaps 190,000 people will arrive every year – in the long run, our system will collapse.
“And that welcome is not going to receive popular support.”
She has called on other European Union member states to take on more migrants in a bid to relieve pressure within her own country, but said: “I have to admit that there have been moments recently of very great disappointment. I have heard statements from member states that have been completely astonishing and very discouraging.”
Once thought of as one of Europe’s most peaceful nations, Sweden is rapidly becoming a fragmented nation, at war with itself. Almost 26.8 per cent of the population is now foreign born or has at least one foreign born parent. With no way to assimilate such large numbers, the outcome has been the creation of ghettos in which crime and extremism are allowed to flourish.
Malmo, which just two years ago played host to that most unifying of events, the Eurovision Song Contest, now has “no-go zones.” Last month, retired Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson told Breitbart London: “We have a number of no-go-zones in Sweden and they are expanding… police can go to these places, but you have to take precautions.
“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.”
He added: “Of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest. There is an over-representation of violent crimes committed by people from other countries”.
The city has also seen grenade attacks similar in style to those seen in the middle east, gang rapes, and fatal shootings.
Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism.
The downward spiral has been tracked over the past few years by The Sweden Report, run by an anonymous Swedish-American blogger.
“Today, it’s as if the inmates are running the asylum,” he posted recently. “The politicians are participating in a chicken race of “goodness” where everybody tries to one-up each other in caring for the citizens of OTHER countries while Swedish retirees, school children, handicapped and other vulnerable categories of people are thoroughly ignored. Violence is exploding. Jihadist Trojan horses are flowing through the porous border along with the tens of thousands ID-less refugees.
“There simply is no possible way to absorb and assimilate such volumes of people, period. You are merely creating ethnic enclaves, which due to incompatible language, culture and job skills become ghettos, which in turns brews crime, misery and extremism. Once the inflow has exceeded the capacity for absorbtion, further immigration only makes the problem worse.
“When I was a child, Sweden was a dull yet very safe place to live. Yes, there was a heavy blanket of socialism and collectivist values covering everything, but there was a core of pragmatism beneath the redness.
“[Now] I am leaving Sweden for good, and will no longer be following its descent from what was once the third most prosperous country in the world. Frankly, it’s just too damn depressing.” |
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If you can find a source other than Brietbart (which deserves to get dismissed out of hand as poorly written propaganda for the lowest common denominator), than perhaps you have something. Is it possible they will have some trouble, yes, collapse, no, impossible, unless you have a very liberal definition of collapse. |
Oh, source shaming Breitbart. I don’t pay much attention to Breitbart myself, it was just a vehicle to relay what the foreign minister said. Though, if you had read the first sentence, or past the .com in the link, you could have googled it and found a source that was more suitable to your tastes. Regardless, it’s my turn to extend an imaginary bet to you, Leon. I bet that one day you are going to realize that the sources where you get your information from are a hell of a lot more propagandistic than anything Breitbart puts out there. How else could you obtain a graduate degree in international affairs from an ivy league university and still be so misinformed about how something like Middle East policy works? You are swimming in the propaganda, friend. But, you are right that a collapse is a difficult thing to gauge, which is why I let this go initially. It will happen eventually though, in one way or another; and the usurers know it. It’s probably one of the main reasons for the recent diversions, to transfer the public’s blame from them onto the people they’re helping let in. |
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Leon
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| Oh, source shaming Breitbart. I don’t pay much attention to Breitbart myself, it was just a vehicle to relay what the foreign minister said. Though, if you had read the first sentence, or past the .com in the link, you could have googled it and found a source that was more suitable to your tastes. Regardless, it’s my turn to extend an imaginary bet to you, Leon. I bet that one day you are going to realize that the sources where you get your information from are a hell of a lot more propagandistic than anything Breitbart puts out there. How else could you obtain a graduate degree in international affairs from an ivy league university and still be so misinformed about how something like Middle East policy works? You are swimming in the propaganda, friend. But, you are right that a collapse is a difficult thing to gauge, which is why I let this go initially. It will happen eventually though, in one way or another; and the usurers know it. It’s probably one of the main reasons for the recent diversions, to transfer the public’s blame from them onto the people they’re helping let in. |
I didn't study the Middle East, and if you think my understanding of that region is misinformed, wait until you hear my take on Africa or other places of the world I haven't been to or studied. However, your everything revolves around Israel take on the region is a simplistic one, so I take your criticism with a grain of salt.
I read what the foreign minister said, but did not view that in any sense that it meant that Sweden was likely to collapse, but that the minister was trying to convince other European countries to take on more. Anyway, Sweden has been around for quite a while, and I am very confident it will prove to be more resilient than its Ikea furniture. Its policies will change, I'm pretty sure. Regardless of how you feel about immigration, anyone can see that the current rate is an aberration and is not sustainable.
As for Breitbart, it's not the fact that it is propaganda that bothers me, its the fact that it is blatant propaganda for the stupid and the angry. Arguably anything with an opinion is propaganda, but I prefer mine that at least plays at objectivity, makes reasoned arguments, is well written, and assumes some intelligence on the part of the reader, and can stand up to fact-checking most of the time.
Take this paragraph for example:
"Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism."
This is basically a meaningless paragraph, full of assertions, yet little proof, and is a house of cards unless you already want to believe the narrative. For example, even here in America I had heard of the Ikea stabbing, and read more than one article, and saw Norwegian friends on Facebook discussing it (I don't have an Swedish friends that I know of, so they will have to stand in). This narrative is like a fill in the blank template of outrage. Replace stabbings with shootings, and America with Sweden and you have a mass shooting of x number of people (which is a fairly common occurrence) swept under the rug by the establishment but an attack by a Muslim labelled as terrorism.
I feel like, if I wanted to, I could come up with a compelling narrative of why a country is about to collapse for almost any country for a wide variety of reasons. If I had to come up with a list of countries on the verge of collapse, I doubt Sweden would be in the top 30, or 50, or whatever. |
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Swartz
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Take this paragraph for example:
"Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism."
This is basically a meaningless paragraph, full of assertions, yet little proof, and is a house of cards unless you already want to believe the narrative. |
Proof of what, Leon? What narrative are you referring to and who do you think controls it? In Sweden and many other places in Europe, crimes committed by foreigners who are still entering by the thousands daily are minimized by the press, while backlashes to this massive influx from the native population is labeled “extremism/terrorism.” That is the narrative. It treats the native people as the enemy. Their anger over their countries going from peaceful and homogeneous a generation ago to ones with Somali ghettos and Muslim no-go-zones is considered the main threat, not the vastly disproportionate criminality of these new groups. If a Swede expresses disapproval of immigration they are smeared with labels like “racist” and “nazi” and can even be arrested. Anti-immigrant internet speech is officially illegal. Is that not a matter worthy of outrage? To be treated as the enemy in your own country while the criminals that are being imported receive protected-class status?
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| I feel like, if I wanted to, I could come up with a compelling narrative of why a country is about to collapse for almost any country for a wide variety of reasons. If I had to come up with a list of countries on the verge of collapse, I doubt Sweden would be in the top 30, or 50, or whatever. |
I’ve read that at this rate native Swedes could be a minority in their own country by 2025. The population is already probably 1/3 non-Swedish. The police have openly said they cannot keep up with this influx and the increased level of crime. New infrastructure is lacking, tent cities are going up, and there has been talk of the Swedish government seizing the summer homes of citizens to house immigrants. The welfare system and health services are being stretched to the max. Sweden is liberalism on steroids, they can’t help themselves nor express the nationalist sentiments that might help them get out of this mess without being attacked. Sweden may not make *your* top 50, but something is going to collapse sooner or later. |
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Leon
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Take this paragraph for example:
"Two similar knife attacks, each of which claimed two victims, open a window into the cancer of liberalism eating away at the heart of Sweden: while a random stabbing of a Swedish mother and her son in Ikea by an Eritrean migrant who was angry at having his asylum claim refused was swept under the carpet by the establishment; yet the deaths of an immigrant teaching assistant and student by a native Swede frustrated by immigration were lamented by the media, politicians, and even the King, and labelled racist terrorism."
This is basically a meaningless paragraph, full of assertions, yet little proof, and is a house of cards unless you already want to believe the narrative. |
Proof of what, Leon? What narrative are you referring to and who do you think controls it? In Sweden and many other places in Europe, crimes committed by foreigners who are still entering by the thousands daily are minimized by the press, while backlashes to this massive influx from the native population is labeled “extremism/terrorism.” That is the narrative. It treats the native people as the enemy. Their anger over their countries going from peaceful and homogeneous a generation ago to ones with Somali ghettos and Muslim no-go-zones is considered the main threat, not the vastly disproportionate criminality of these new groups. If a Swede expresses disapproval of immigration they are smeared with labels like “racist” and “nazi” and can even be arrested. Anti-immigrant internet speech is officially illegal. Is that not a matter worthy of outrage? To be treated as the enemy in your own country while the criminals that are being imported receive protected-class status? |
As already mentioned, if this news was being suppressed, than how was I able to hear about it in America, in more than one article? I almost never see news about Sweden, but I say several pieces about the Ikea attack. I was referring to Brietbart's narrative, and this piece is not really about Sweden, but it is about immigration into the United States. Why would Brietbart care about Sweden, answer, they don't. I read the comments, and basically most of them were about how this is what Obama is trying to do, and how he is trying to bring in a wave of Muslim Refugees, etc.
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| I feel like, if I wanted to, I could come up with a compelling narrative of why a country is about to collapse for almost any country for a wide variety of reasons. If I had to come up with a list of countries on the verge of collapse, I doubt Sweden would be in the top 30, or 50, or whatever. |
I’ve read that at this rate native Swedes could be a minority in their own country by 2025. The population is already probably 1/3 non-Swedish. The police have openly said they cannot keep up with this influx and the increased level of crime. New infrastructure is lacking, tent cities are going up, and there has been talk of the Swedish government seizing the summer homes of citizens to house immigrants. The welfare system and health services are being stretched to the max. Sweden is liberalism on steroids, they can’t help themselves nor express the nationalist sentiments that might help them get out of this mess without being attacked. Sweden may not make *your* top 50, but something is going to collapse sooner or later. |
Yes, but who really believes that this rate will continue for years? Countries adapt, and I doubt that Sweden will allow the population flows at this rate much longer. My honest bet, 10 years from now, Sweden will still have one of the highest living standards in the world, and this will be revealed as a momentary crisis rather than an existential one. |
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Plain Meaning
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| The post-world war(s) historical narrative we’re taught throughout our lives is largely inaccurate. The “Right” is the natural state of a homogeneous society, one that protects its values, culture, and breeding spaces. The “Left,” in the modern sense, is an outside force that corrupts that culture and undermines the native population. But since leftism functions as a utopian ideology, it is able to brainwash many of weaker native citizens against their own interests. |
I read an article somewhere recently that stated that smaller groups of humans are dominated by the betas (for lack of a better term), and they suppress the stronger of the individuals in a 'democratic' manner (for lack of a better term). Once societies begin to scale, it provides stronger and more ambitious individuals the room to dominate the weaker in their society.
So, since egalitarianism was once the predominant social arrangement of hunter-gatherers and tribes of about 150, does that make it more natural and preferable?
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Not sure. But my initial inclination is to tell you that all-encompassing sociology-based explanations of human relations will paint you a crooked picture. |
That's a pretty sound reply.
I'd go further and state that it is wrong to found normative judgments on sociological explanations of what the past may have been like. |
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Swartz
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| As already mentioned, if this news was being suppressed, than how was I able to hear about it in America, in more than one article? I almost never see news about Sweden, but I say several pieces about the Ikea attack. I was referring to Brietbart's narrative, and this piece is not really about Sweden, but it is about immigration into the United States. Why would Brietbart care about Sweden, answer, they don't. I read the comments, and basically most of them were about how this is what Obama is trying to do, and how he is trying to bring in a wave of Muslim Refugees, etc. |
Because an African gutted two Swedes in the middle of an Ikea, kind of hard to suppress something like that. It also appears you are not very perceptive or being disingenuous: Firstly, that is Breitbart *London* and there is no mention of immigration to the US in the article; secondly, I just opened two pages of comments and ctrl + F’d for Obama … zero results in the comments section. There are over 5,000 comments though, so I guess you stumbled upon a conversation where people were talking about that. Breitbart is a mainstream news outlet, but it’s one of the only mainstream ones on the right. Because of that, you are conditioned to label it “propaganda” more than HuffPo or NPR (or whatever), even though it is much less of an establishment mouthpiece, and therefore less propagandistic by definition.
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| Yes, but who really believes that this rate will continue for years? Countries adapt, and I doubt that Sweden will allow the population flows at this rate much longer. My honest bet, 10 years from now, Sweden will still have one of the highest living standards in the world, and this will be revealed as a momentary crisis rather than an existential one. |
It hasn’t stopped yet and the number of people coming in has only increased. In fact, a document was recently released saying that Germany could have 20 million Muslims by 2020. If we can check the Middle East and Africa off of the list of regions you know little about, perhaps we should check off Europe as well. Shushing the right and believing that everything will turn out fine is a symptom of the left’s condition. Utter weakness. |
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Leon
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| As already mentioned, if this news was being suppressed, than how was I able to hear about it in America, in more than one article? I almost never see news about Sweden, but I say several pieces about the Ikea attack. I was referring to Brietbart's narrative, and this piece is not really about Sweden, but it is about immigration into the United States. Why would Brietbart care about Sweden, answer, they don't. I read the comments, and basically most of them were about how this is what Obama is trying to do, and how he is trying to bring in a wave of Muslim Refugees, etc. |
Because an African gutted two Swedes in the middle of an Ikea, kind of hard to suppress something like that. It also appears you are not very perceptive or being disingenuous: Firstly, that is Breitbart *London* and there is no mention of immigration to the US in the article; secondly, I just opened two pages of comments and ctrl + F’d for Obama … zero results in the comments section. There are over 5,000 comments though, so I guess you stumbled upon a conversation where people were talking about that. Breitbart is a mainstream news outlet, but it’s one of the only mainstream ones on the right. Because of that, you are conditioned to label it “propaganda” more than HuffPo or NPR (or whatever), even though it is much less of an establishment mouthpiece, and therefore less propagandistic by definition.[\quote]
Facebook does this thing where they have trending stories, and the Brietbart article was one. Using this tool, you can see all the reactions to the article across Facebook from public figures and from random people. I did not read article comments, but explaining the Facebook thing took a while to type out, so I didn't explain it as such before. There are many mainstream ones on the right (the blaze, newsmax, etc.) Of low quality, but hey I think Salon sucks too. You have a weird definition of propaganda.
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| Yes, but who really believes that this rate will continue for years? Countries adapt, and I doubt that Sweden will allow the population flows at this rate much longer. My honest bet, 10 years from now, Sweden will still have one of the highest living standards in the world, and this will be revealed as a momentary crisis rather than an existential one. |
It hasn’t stopped yet and the number of people coming in has only increased. In fact, a document was recently released saying that Germany could have 20 million Muslims by 2020. If we can check the Middle East and Africa off of the list of regions you know little about, perhaps we should check off Europe as well. Shushing the right and believing that everything will turn out fine is a symptom of the left’s condition. Utter weakness. |
Knowing little for me is still much more than the average person, just to be clear. The current situation, as it is, is a somewhat recent one, no? A few months of intense migration. Taking the current situation and applying it as a baseline for expected migration seems absurd. I don't think Europe is suicidal, I do think continuing at this rate is not sustainable. Saying a country will not collapse is not the same as saying that everything will be fine, or that there is not legitimate concerns about the refugee influx, but that hyperbolic claims from a foreign minister tasked to get other countries to pitch in should not be taken as a face value piece of sound analysis. |
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trueblue
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| The post-world war(s) historical narrative we’re taught throughout our lives is largely inaccurate. The “Right” is the natural state of a homogeneous society, one that protects its values, culture, and breeding spaces. The “Left,” in the modern sense, is an outside force that corrupts that culture and undermines the native population. But since leftism functions as a utopian ideology, it is able to brainwash many of weaker native citizens against their own interests. |
I read an article somewhere recently that stated that smaller groups of humans are dominated by the betas (for lack of a better term), and they suppress the stronger of the individuals in a 'democratic' manner (for lack of a better term). Once societies begin to scale, it provides stronger and more ambitious individuals the room to dominate the weaker in their society.
So, since egalitarianism was once the predominant social arrangement of hunter-gatherers and tribes of about 150, does that make it more natural and preferable?
(massive tongue in cheek here) |
Not sure. But my initial inclination is to tell you that all-encompassing sociology-based explanations of human relations will paint you a crooked picture. |
That's a pretty sound reply.
I'd go further and state that it is wrong to found normative judgments on sociological explanations of what the past may have been like. |
And, there is PM pouring from a keg of kool aid. |
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GENO123
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To the first part and for the most part, yeah. I wouldn’t phrase it that way myself but that’s more or less the point. Forced mass-scale immigration into the west since the 1965 immigration act and multiculturalism as state policy for all intents and purposes is a top down attack on native peoples and has negatively impacted this country in ways that are irreversible. And the notion that immigration is beneficial is a massive lie. What’s happening in Europe is more recent, but this was all planned, that’s well-documented and there is a reason it’s only happening in the west.
You seem like a reasonable guy, Leon, I have nothing against you and have responded to you respectfully because of that. You seem open minded though it appears you favor many leftist doctrines. But, yes, this is a heavily censored site and I have to frame my responses in a certain way, unfortunately, though I still think I’ve made my positions as clear as possible. However, not embarrassed whatsoever. I have enormous respect for the European race, it’s comparative ingenuity, and its unique genotypic and phenotypic makeup; as well as a strong antipathy for the forces that are attempting to destroy its homelands by bringing in millions of outsiders, attacking those who disagree with this policy, and so on.
In our lifetimes, whites could be 30% of the US population, maybe even less given fertility rates and degree of legal and illegal immigration. I don’t want to raise my children in that environment and it would be a tragedy that may lead to the eradication and ultimate blending out of European’s unique qualities. It should be stopped and reversed immediately. You can’t understand these subjects without understanding race, but the left has distorted the concept and importance of race monumentally over the past 50+ years through propaganda and brainwashing. But all races have a right to self-determination, and in the coming years it will be our duty to reestablish that, protect Europe, and perhaps breakup the US to establish a new ethno state for our people. Lot more can be said, but I’m really tired at the moment. |
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trueblue
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Geno-Beno,
I would say you probably don't know the difference between "left" and "right" but considering your two lovers ARE your left and right, I would say you may be OK.
Sober up, madam. |
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GENO123
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Geno-Beno,
I would say you probably don't know the difference between "left" and "right" but considering your two lovers ARE your left and right, I would say you may be OK.
Sober up, madam. |
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You really ought to come back with a better resppnse |
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