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Hatcher
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 Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:59 pm Post subject: Engineering job posted |
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| Check out that engineering job in Seoul. They want a PhD in Engineering for 3k a month and 25,000 won an hour for OT?!?!?!?!? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Actually...
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| 2 .7million won ~ 3.0 won/month |
...is only 2,247 ~ 2,499 in U.S. dollars.
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QUALIFICATIONS
[Nano Convergence Engineering]
– Holder of Doctoral degree in the related major with more than 3 years of teaching experience.
(Lectures given in English)
– Must be able to deliver lectures in experiments with students and have wide experience with at least 5 SCI papers as the evidential data. |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Actually...
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| 2 .7million won ~ 3.0 won/month |
...is only 2,247 ~ 2,499 in U.S. dollars.
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QUALIFICATIONS
[Nano Convergence Engineering]
– Holder of Doctoral degree in the related major with more than 3 years of teaching experience.
(Lectures given in English)
– Must be able to deliver lectures in experiments with students and have wide experience with at least 5 SCI papers as the evidential data. |
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I wonder how much the Korean profs in that department are being paid? i also wonder if said profs have PHDs, 3 years experience and have each published 5 papers... |
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Hatcher
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Korean profs have to paid well because they make 3 times that much working outside the university.
The ad is an insult... how many engineers would work for 25,000 an hour?
Good luck to them! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
Korean profs have to paid well because they make 3 times that much working outside the university.
The ad is an insult... how many engineers would work for 25,000 an hour?
Good luck to them! |
The only possible explanation is that an engineer would be on a different visa, and they could theoretically pull someone from a very impoverished country who might make similar money back home and would prefer the quality of life in Korea (yes, I realize the problems with this statement, but it depends on where you're coming from). Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. Good luck, job poster. |
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Hatcher
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Who knows... maybe they will ask a plastic surgeon to join them for the same rate. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
Korean profs have to paid well because they make 3 times that much working outside the university.
The ad is an insult... how many engineers would work for 25,000 an hour?
Good luck to them! |
It doesn't sound like the candidate would be expected to work as an engineer...it sounds more like he is expected to teach...that's why they want someone with teaching experience and say the lectures must be delivered in English. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| I once saw an article in chron. of higher edu. that said that in all majors less than 10% of Americans who get a PhD becasue they want to be a prof, will ever be one. Often 800 or more PhD's apply for the same job. I had a neighbor in USA that was the Chair of a Chem. department. He said they had over 1000 applicatins for one job. That is why the application deadlines in USA are many times a year in advance. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Academia's over saturated. Expect wages and conditions to further decrease. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Hatcher wrote: |
Korean profs have to paid well because they make 3 times that much working outside the university.
The ad is an insult... how many engineers would work for 25,000 an hour?
Good luck to them! |
It doesn't sound like the candidate would be expected to work as an engineer...it sounds more like he is expected to teach...that's why they want someone with teaching experience and say the lectures must be delivered in English. |
Exactly the point, this is an academic job. Academic jobs are always paid much less than industry jobs no matter the subject, so this offer whilst bad... isn't unbelievable. There are English teaching positions open for 2.0 million requiring PhDs. Always gonna be lowball offers out there.
You honestly think universities are going to pay an engineering salary to a professor? Quite simply put a professor at a university isn't worth as much financially because industry professionals are working on site projects and generating much more income for private companies. Regardless there is always going to be that one person who wants to work in an Academic job even though he knows it pays peanuts.
The offers I've gotten for such things and I've had recruiters contact me directly to teach engineering in universities are around a 30-50% markup on English jobs. So this is probably 500,000 ish outside the normal zone. It'll be hard to hire for but not impossible, people will take these jobs eventually. Whereas an actual engineering job outsourced will be around a 400% markup on ESL. Obviously exceptions being tenured positions which still don't pay as much as industry.
This is the way the market is, even in the west so it isn't surprising to be honest. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| JohnML wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Hatcher wrote: |
Korean profs have to paid well because they make 3 times that much working outside the university.
The ad is an insult... how many engineers would work for 25,000 an hour?
Good luck to them! |
It doesn't sound like the candidate would be expected to work as an engineer...it sounds more like he is expected to teach...that's why they want someone with teaching experience and say the lectures must be delivered in English. |
Exactly the point, this is an academic job. Academic jobs are always paid much less than industry jobs no matter the subject, so this offer whilst bad... isn't unbelievable. There are English teaching positions open for 2.0 million requiring PhDs. Always gonna be lowball offers out there.
You honestly think universities are going to pay an engineering salary to a professor? Quite simply put a professor at a university isn't worth as much financially because industry professionals are working on site projects and generating much more income for private companies. Regardless there is always going to be that one person who wants to work in an Academic job even though he knows it pays peanuts.
The offers I've gotten for such things and I've had recruiters contact me directly to teach engineering in universities are around a 30-50% markup on English jobs. So this is probably 500,000 ish outside the normal zone. It'll be hard to hire for but not impossible, people will take these jobs eventually. Whereas an actual engineering job outsourced will be around a 400% markup on ESL. Obviously exceptions being tenured positions which still don't pay as much as industry.
This is the way the market is, even in the west so it isn't surprising to be honest. |
Well under normal conditions, the engineering professor would be worth something more to the university because they would be conducting research. In this case they would just be teaching, but that begs the question of why they need someone with a Ph.D. in the first place. |
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Hatcher
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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There are a couple of points overlooked here.
1. I dont know any PhD in Engineering, which cant be compared to the Arts, who would work for this salary.
2. Its not just teaching as they want 5 SCI publications! Anyone who has those accomplishments can earn much more somewhere else. Housing allowance of 300K?
3. Finally, the OT rate of 25,000 is illegal according to the labor laws of Korea. Better off working at Starbucks. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
There are a couple of points overlooked here.
1. I dont know any PhD in Engineering, which cant be compared to the Arts, who would work for this salary.
2. Its not just teaching as they want 5 SCI publications! Anyone who has those accomplishments can earn much more somewhere else. Housing allowance of 300K?
3. Finally, the OT rate of 25,000 is illegal according to the labor laws of Korea. Better off working at Starbucks. |
It's obviously a joke. Someone is trying to show a buddy how low foreigners are prepared to go for a job in Korea.
Of course no one with those qualifications would take that job, but others will apply, without those qualifications, and be 'happy' to get the job. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
There are a couple of points overlooked here.
1. I dont know any PhD in Engineering, which cant be compared to the Arts, who would work for this salary.
2. Its not just teaching as they want 5 SCI publications! Anyone who has those accomplishments can earn much more somewhere else. Housing allowance of 300K?
3. Finally, the OT rate of 25,000 is illegal according to the labor laws of Korea. Better off working at Starbucks. |
With those qualifications couldn't you get a job for similar money teaching somewhere with better quality of life and a lower cost of living, like Thailand? |
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Hatcher
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen at least five other job ads for PhDs in Engineering and other fields in Korea. All pay more than this job and as far as I know they have had great trouble filling those positions.
Again, 5 SCI pubs and you get 25,000 an hour for OT and 300,000 a month for housing???? |
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