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chellovek
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Does the Daily Mail ever point out left wing extremists?
If you're kidding, I tip my hat to you.
I was a regular reader of that paper for years because someone I lived with bought it each day. The columnists and editorials in that paper often baited 'the left' and did hatchet jobs on what the more swivel-eyed elements call 'Cultural Marxism'. If, as it seems to me, you're implying that the Daily frickin' Mail is soft on the left, then you're way way further out on the right than you might believe yourself to be. The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right.
I suspect the kind of people a lot on the radical right might refer to as being 'leftists', 'libtards' or whatever the insult du jour happens to be, are actually in fact politically Centrist/Moderates. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Does the Daily Mail ever point out left wing extremists?
If you're kidding, I tip my hat to you.
I was a regular reader of that paper for years because someone I lived with bought it each day. The columnists and editorials in that paper often baited 'the left' and did hatchet jobs on what the more swivel-eyed elements call 'Cultural Marxism'. If, as it seems to me, you're implying that the Daily frickin' Mail is soft on the left, then you're way way further out on the right than you might believe yourself to be. The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right.
I suspect the kind of people a lot on the radical right might refer to as being 'leftists', 'libtards' or whatever the insult du jour happens to be, are actually in fact politically Centrist/Moderates. |
The left/right spectrum can be useful, but there is always major discord when anyone on the left pretends to understand it. They can't comprehend that everything they've ever known is left, or that the real right is something they don't know the slightest thing about because it has been pushed entirely out of the frame for the last 50+ years. Everything they think they know about the right has been conveyed to them by the left, so the dichotomy is completely skewed. The actual right right hasn't been allowed a voice in the lifetime of anyone here and people like the above are conditioned to screech at it like a chimp whenever they believe they see some semblance of it. The Daily Mail might lean right comparatively, but it's not really on the right because physical publications aren't allowed to be on the right. When you come to understand the actual left/right spectrum, the inevitable conclusion you reach is that the left, or liberalism from a cultural perspective, is a fabrication modeled after communism's permanent revolution and propagated through Jewish oligarchical/institutional control. While anyone dumb enough to believe they are a part of the left advances their propaganda for them unknowingly, it takes a special kind of idiot to self-identify as a Marxist as the individual above does. The left is a simulation of reality, the inversion of it. It's the biggest lie ever told.
And saying that there should be no Muslims on German soil is nothing beyond good old fashioned common sense, the farthest thing from extremism. It's not their country, it's not their culture, they don't belong there, and they should leave. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing against common sense and normality because they're looking at the world from the mediated and inverted reality explained above. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Does the Daily Mail ever point out left wing extremists?
If you're kidding, I tip my hat to you.
I was a regular reader of that paper for years because someone I lived with bought it each day. The columnists and editorials in that paper often baited 'the left' and did hatchet jobs on what the more swivel-eyed elements call 'Cultural Marxism'. If, as it seems to me, you're implying that the Daily frickin' Mail is soft on the left, then you're way way further out on the right than you might believe yourself to be. The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right.
I suspect the kind of people a lot on the radical right might refer to as being 'leftists', 'libtards' or whatever the insult du jour happens to be, are actually in fact politically Centrist/Moderates. |
The left/right spectrum can be useful, but there is always major discord when anyone on the left pretends to understand it. They can't comprehend that everything they've ever known is left, or that the real right is something they don't know the slightest thing about because it has been pushed entirely out of the frame for the last 50+ years. Everything they think they know about the right has been conveyed to them by the left, so the dichotomy is completely skewed. The actual right right hasn't been allowed a voice in the lifetime of anyone here and people like the above are conditioned to screech at it like a chimp whenever they believe they see some semblance of it. The Daily Mail might lean right comparatively, but it's not really on the right because physical publications aren't allowed to be on the right. When you come to understand the actual left/right spectrum, the inevitable conclusion you reach is that the left, or liberalism from a cultural perspective, is a fabrication modeled after communism's permanent revolution and propagated through Jewish oligarchical/institutional control. While anyone dumb enough to believe they are a part of the left advances their propaganda for them unknowingly, it takes a special kind of idiot to self-identify as a Marxist as the individual above does. The left is a simulation of reality, the inversion of it. It's the biggest lie ever told.
And saying that there should be no Muslims on German soil is nothing beyond good old fashioned common sense, the farthest thing from extremism. It's not their country, it's not their culture, they don't belong there, and they should leave. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing against common sense and normality because they're looking at the world from the mediated and inverted reality explained above. |
And I assume you are an authority on this left/right thing? In reality the spectrum is pretty muddled, and people who claim to represent the right or left tend to be using impercise language, and left, progressive and liberal do not have the same meaning, nor do right wing and conservative.
The online alt-right sphere is a very particular view or reality that seems to exist exclusively online, so perhaps they should be more humble before before going on and on with pseudo-intellectual rants about inverted realities and what is and isnt real. The fact that you claim others pretend to understand something that has long been a nebulous concept demonstrates the unearned superiority that is your charcteristic trait. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Does the Daily Mail ever point out left wing extremists?
If you're kidding, I tip my hat to you.
I was a regular reader of that paper for years because someone I lived with bought it each day. The columnists and editorials in that paper often baited 'the left' and did hatchet jobs on what the more swivel-eyed elements call 'Cultural Marxism'. If, as it seems to me, you're implying that the Daily frickin' Mail is soft on the left, then you're way way further out on the right than you might believe yourself to be. The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right.
I suspect the kind of people a lot on the radical right might refer to as being 'leftists', 'libtards' or whatever the insult du jour happens to be, are actually in fact politically Centrist/Moderates. |
The left/right spectrum can be useful, but there is always major discord when anyone on the left pretends to understand it. They can't comprehend that everything they've ever known is left, or that the real right is something they don't know the slightest thing about because it has been pushed entirely out of the frame for the last 50+ years. Everything they think they know about the right has been conveyed to them by the left, so the dichotomy is completely skewed. The actual right right hasn't been allowed a voice in the lifetime of anyone here and people like the above are conditioned to screech at it like a chimp whenever they believe they see some semblance of it. The Daily Mail might lean right comparatively, but it's not really on the right because physical publications aren't allowed to be on the right. When you come to understand the actual left/right spectrum, the inevitable conclusion you reach is that the left, or liberalism from a cultural perspective, is a fabrication modeled after communism's permanent revolution and propagated through Jewish oligarchical/institutional control. While anyone dumb enough to believe they are a part of the left advances their propaganda for them unknowingly, it takes a special kind of idiot to self-identify as a Marxist as the individual above does. The left is a simulation of reality, the inversion of it. It's the biggest lie ever told.
And saying that there should be no Muslims on German soil is nothing beyond good old fashioned common sense, the farthest thing from extremism. It's not their country, it's not their culture, they don't belong there, and they should leave. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing against common sense and normality because they're looking at the world from the mediated and inverted reality explained above. |
And I assume you are an authority on this left/right thing? In reality the spectrum is pretty muddled, and people who claim to represent the right or left tend to be using impercise language, and left, progressive and liberal do not have the same meaning, nor do right wing and conservative.
The online alt-right sphere is a very particular view or reality that seems to exist exclusively online, so perhaps they should be more humble before before going on and on with pseudo-intellectual rants about inverted realities and what is and isnt real. The fact that you claim others pretend to understand something that has long been a nebulous concept demonstrates the unearned superiority that is your charcteristic trait. |
I tell you it's muddled, I tell you why it's muddled, and I tell you who muddled it. You repeat to me that it's muddled, and now I tell you that you fit as well as anyone into the category I laid out above, which is why you remain unable to understand why it's muddled. My attempts to inform upset you and you don't want to learn (or unlearn what you've never actually understood). We've been here before, Leon. Step up your discourse if you need attention. Reminding me that my understanding of these things is superior to your own produces little more than a shrug from this side. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
Does the Daily Mail ever point out left wing extremists?
If you're kidding, I tip my hat to you.
I was a regular reader of that paper for years because someone I lived with bought it each day. The columnists and editorials in that paper often baited 'the left' and did hatchet jobs on what the more swivel-eyed elements call 'Cultural Marxism'. If, as it seems to me, you're implying that the Daily frickin' Mail is soft on the left, then you're way way further out on the right than you might believe yourself to be. The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right.
I suspect the kind of people a lot on the radical right might refer to as being 'leftists', 'libtards' or whatever the insult du jour happens to be, are actually in fact politically Centrist/Moderates. |
The left/right spectrum can be useful, but there is always major discord when anyone on the left pretends to understand it. They can't comprehend that everything they've ever known is left, or that the real right is something they don't know the slightest thing about because it has been pushed entirely out of the frame for the last 50+ years. Everything they think they know about the right has been conveyed to them by the left, so the dichotomy is completely skewed. The actual right right hasn't been allowed a voice in the lifetime of anyone here and people like the above are conditioned to screech at it like a chimp whenever they believe they see some semblance of it. The Daily Mail might lean right comparatively, but it's not really on the right because physical publications aren't allowed to be on the right. When you come to understand the actual left/right spectrum, the inevitable conclusion you reach is that the left, or liberalism from a cultural perspective, is a fabrication modeled after communism's permanent revolution and propagated through Jewish oligarchical/institutional control. While anyone dumb enough to believe they are a part of the left advances their propaganda for them unknowingly, it takes a special kind of idiot to self-identify as a Marxist as the individual above does. The left is a simulation of reality, the inversion of it. It's the biggest lie ever told.
And saying that there should be no Muslims on German soil is nothing beyond good old fashioned common sense, the farthest thing from extremism. It's not their country, it's not their culture, they don't belong there, and they should leave. Anyone who argues otherwise is arguing against common sense and normality because they're looking at the world from the mediated and inverted reality explained above. |
And I assume you are an authority on this left/right thing? In reality the spectrum is pretty muddled, and people who claim to represent the right or left tend to be using impercise language, and left, progressive and liberal do not have the same meaning, nor do right wing and conservative.
The online alt-right sphere is a very particular view or reality that seems to exist exclusively online, so perhaps they should be more humble before before going on and on with pseudo-intellectual rants about inverted realities and what is and isnt real. The fact that you claim others pretend to understand something that has long been a nebulous concept demonstrates the unearned superiority that is your charcteristic trait. |
I tell you it's muddled, I tell you why it's muddled, and I tell you who muddled it. You repeat to me that it's muddled, and now I tell you that you fit as well as anyone into the category I laid out above, which is why you remain unable to understand why it's muddled. My attempts to inform upset you and you don't want to learn (or unlearn what you've never actually understood). We've been here before, Leon. Step up your discourse if you need attention. Reminding me that my understanding of these things is superior to your own produces little more than a shrug from this side. |
The thing is that it is inherently muddled, and that you think you have a clear view of it where others do not is laughable. Its not a superior understanding, its a self reinforcing understanding where everything fits into an elaborate yet simple structure. You write like a communist, with their same love of hyperbole and self assuredness of your ideology, and the belief in the vapid stupidity of idelogical enemies. It is uncanny. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing is that it is inherently muddled, and that you think you have a clear view of it where others do not is laughable. Its not a superior understanding, its a self reinforcing understanding where everything fits into an elaborate yet simple structure. You write like a communist, with their same love of hyperbole and self assuredness of your ideology, and the belief in the vapid stupidity of idelogical enemies. It is uncanny. |
What's uncanny is your inability to ever respond to me with any substance. And you have no substance because you don't think for yourself or seek answers that might scare you. All you do is whine like a typical liberal wuss, and there's nothing honorable about that. You should be ashamed of yourself as a man for engaging in such catty bickering. I hope it's worth your time because it's never anything but a waste of mine. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
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| The thing is that it is inherently muddled, and that you think you have a clear view of it where others do not is laughable. Its not a superior understanding, its a self reinforcing understanding where everything fits into an elaborate yet simple structure. You write like a communist, with their same love of hyperbole and self assuredness of your ideology, and the belief in the vapid stupidity of idelogical enemies. It is uncanny. |
What's uncanny is your inability to ever respond to me with any substance. And you have no substance because you don't think for yourself or seek answers that might scare you. All you do is whine like a typical liberal wuss, and there's nothing honorable about that. You should be ashamed of yourself as a man for engaging in such catty bickering. I hope it's worth your time because it's never anything but a waste of mine. |
Responding with substance to an ideologue is a waste of time, observing how ideologues share similar patterns of thought and rhetoric, despite the belief system itself, is interesting and somewhat useful in its own right.
Its funny that you read whine and cattiness into what I write, and doubly funny that an internet ideologue with a well defined world view accuses someone else of not thinking for themselves. Or even that you assume that I am a liberal based on your hyperspecific understanding of what you think that means. Muddled, right. |
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trueblue
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I do like, how Leon pointed out the fact that political ideology IS muddled and so rarely, if every, defined. When a country is comprised of an uneducated citizenry, not seeing how "liberalism" can easily be manipulated into taking other forms, is truly progressive...but, not for the people.
Swartz is correct, regarding having tribal outsiders being elected (somehow, that happened) to a major city office...and how muslims do not belong, as a whole, in the west. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
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| The thing is that it is inherently muddled, and that you think you have a clear view of it where others do not is laughable. Its not a superior understanding, its a self reinforcing understanding where everything fits into an elaborate yet simple structure. You write like a communist, with their same love of hyperbole and self assuredness of your ideology, and the belief in the vapid stupidity of idelogical enemies. It is uncanny. |
What's uncanny is your inability to ever respond to me with any substance. And you have no substance because you don't think for yourself or seek answers that might scare you. All you do is whine like a typical liberal wuss, and there's nothing honorable about that. You should be ashamed of yourself as a man for engaging in such catty bickering. I hope it's worth your time because it's never anything but a waste of mine. |
Responding with substance to an ideologue is a waste of time, observing how ideologues share similar patterns of thought and rhetoric, despite the belief system itself, is interesting and somewhat useful in its own right.
Its funny that you read whine and cattiness into what I write, and doubly funny that an internet ideologue with a well defined world view accuses someone else of not thinking for themselves. Or even that you assume that I am a liberal based on your hyperspecific understanding of what you think that means. Muddled, right. |
Why don't you tell me what my ideology is, Leon. Explain it to me.
On a side note I've mentioned before, when you have no substance and feel this rare surge of internet-induced testosterone flow through you, you actually mimic me. You copy my style and regurgitate it back to me using different words. You've done that several times now. But do you know why you do that? I think because you aren't a very creative person, because you rarely think out of the box. You believe what you're told, Leon.
Back to the first part, though. Let me help you understand your own world a little better, and let me explain to you what an ideology actually is, in another likely misguided attempt to help you learn something. Try to pay attention instead of thinking about how you're going to stump me by making no argument and copying me. Liberalism is an ideology, and yes, you are a liberal, of course. Being pro-your own race and wanting that race to be able to live in their own communities and countries is about as simple, normal, natural, and non-ideological as it gets. Because an ideology is something different, Leon, something that makes you believe in ideals that go against things like nature and normality, something that makes you think you can change them, something that makes you believe that what is normal and natural is abnormal and unnatural. It is the inversion of what is normal and natural that is situated in the realm of ideology. I am man's normal, natural, and healthy state of being. You are a weak outbreeder who has been manipulated by an ideology. |
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bigverne
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| The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right. |
And here we have this solidly 'right wing,' 'conservative' newspaper promoting the progressive left's latest cause celebre - the normalizing of transgenderism among children.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3596400/Transgender-child-12-born-girl-returns-school-boy-telling-mother-felt-wrong-body.html?ito=social-facebook
The Daily Mail is a Tory-supporting tabloid aimed largely at middle-aged and elderly middle-class women. It publishes celebrity tat, sycophantic coverage of the Royal Family, and the occasional bit of anti-EU red meat to satisfy its conservative readership. On social issues, it has mostly fallen in line with the progressive left. The terms 'right-wing' and 'conservative' are almost completely meaningless. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| The Daily Mail is solidly right-wing, not even centre-right. |
And here we have this solidly 'right wing,' 'conservative' newspaper promoting the progressive left's latest cause celebre - the normalizing of transgenderism among children.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3596400/Transgender-child-12-born-girl-returns-school-boy-telling-mother-felt-wrong-body.html?ito=social-facebook
The Daily Mail is a Tory-supporting tabloid aimed largely at middle-aged and elderly middle-class women. It publishes celebrity tat, sycophantic coverage of the Royal Family, and the occasional bit of anti-EU red meat to satisfy its conservative readership. On social issues, it has mostly fallen in line with the progressive left. The terms 'right-wing' and 'conservative' are almost completely meaningless. |
That's right it's tat.
I don't think the article you linked is proof that the Daily Mail is "progressive left" (whatever that beaten-to-death phrase/would-be-slur even means anymore) on social issues. That article acts as a bit of prurient interest at which the target readership will cluck their tongue and mutter "oh dear". Just reporting something, as a newspaper may well occasionally deign to do, does not necessarily mean that it is approving of it. There is nothing in that article that suggests approval or disapproval, and I think the editor at the DM knows full well what interest and response it will evoke from the readership (I'd wager it would range from indifferent to disapproving) without needing to explicitly articulate these thoughts itself. Perhaps instead (just a suggestion to see if you approve), in order to avoid being called "progressive left" (oh no!), the article should say "Evil pervert child undermines nature. In Skegness a 12 year old has shat all over what is normal because of his lazy Commie Liberal parents not bringing him up properly. Shockingly, friends, relatives, and teachers did not immediately ostracize this disgusting turd of a creature, leaving the entire Western world on the cusp of a plague in which every child will become transgender because this is totally how these things work both in our fevered imaginations and the real world outside our brains [...] cont. p94 Ed." |
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trueblue
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| I don't think the article you linked is proof that the Daily Mail is "progressive left" (whatever that beaten-to-death phrase/would-be-slur even means anymore) on social issues. |
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There is nothing in that article that suggests approval or disapproval |
Within that swirling fog of sound bite journalism and literary finger painting, these are the only relevant points. |
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caniff
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Let's face it, these cult members are aided and abetted by the libtard/socialist/fascist continent. The Deep State refuses to unleash the sources of free energy and a pack of scumbags make a kiĺling (excuse the pun) bombing the shit out of them.
Send them home, keep them there and don't interact with them. They can worship their murderous pedophile and we'll continue (hopefully) to have a chance at a civilized society.
Sorry, I'm a freedom-loving guy and these people are making me (and a lot of the rest of the world) fed up with their BS.
Rant off... |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Let's face it, these cult members are aided and abetted by the libtard/socialist/fascist continent. The Deep State refuses to unleash the sources of free energy and a pack of scumbags make a kiĺling (excuse the pun) bombing the shit out of them.
Send them home, keep them there and don't interact with them. They can worship their murderous pedophile and we'll continue (hopefully) to have a chance at a civilized society.
Sorry, I'm a freedom-loving guy and these people are making me (and a lot of the rest of the world) fed up with their BS.
Rant off... |
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