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Quitting the Hagwon. Are all of my ducks in a row?

 
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Hidalgo03



Joined: 21 Sep 2016

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:14 pm    Post subject: Quitting the Hagwon. Are all of my ducks in a row? Reply with quote

Long story short, I’m probably going to be quitting my job, and putting in the contractually stated 90 days notice. Not paying for my flight, the lack of communication, disorganization, late pay, and sheer stress of this place have already taken their toll on me. I’m no rookie to teaching, either (although maybe I am if I signed onto a place like this). If all goes well, I will be leaving just shy of 6 months into my contract at the end of the 90 day notice.

My plan is to inform my director that I’m not sure about whether I want to keep teaching in Korea, or if I want to take up a job offer I have back home this coming Spring. When I tell her, I will bring a post-dated LOR. I will first justify her signing it by saying that her doing so will be my guarantee that I will continue working for the contractually obligated 90 days in full. We’re not on bad terms I would say, so I think this would be enough. If not, I’ll gently tell her that if she does not sign it, I will walk out that very day. Without that paper, I can’t work until late 2017 in Korea anyways, so I might as well go home and get things settled and ready for the Spring. Hopefully, this will be using all of my leverage to its full extent while I have it.

I understandably expect at least some level of fuckery in the 90 day interim between me putting in my notice and actually leaving. Class changes, pay day shenanigans, and being fired notwithstanding. I know leaving shy of 6 months puts me at a disadvantage as far as being fired without notice legally. However, I am going to submit my resignation VIA e-mail as well as in hard-copy form to ensure that the date I put my notice in is verifiable. Just in case I need evidence of a spiteful termination to the labor board.

That said, if my school really does try to make my life miserable and it’s just better for my sanity/health to duck out earlier, would that void the LOR because it is post-dated? I’m talking about making my life miserable within the confines of the law, therefore not giving me any sway with the labour board.

If I do leave early, can I only file for a new visa (D10 or E2) after the last day of work as listed on my post-dated LOR?

Any and all help greatly appreciated.
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't give a notice. Keep the matter to yourself. Upon receiving your last pay, go to the airport, turn in your ARC, and leave.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ what he said.
IF you give notice you can reasonable expect to NOT be paid for your last month or 6 weeks of work.

The LOR is NEVER guaranteed and it is NOT legally mandated that the employer give you one.

Book a flight to anywhere cheap for a day or two after your preferred payday.
Leave and turn in your ARC as you leave to cancel your status of sojourn.

Start again with a new recruiter or better yet, pick a new country since you may not be able to return to work in Korea on an E2 until the expiry date of your ARC.

Doing this may also mean a new CBC and degree copy (with apostilles).

The option is stay where you are, collect your salary every month, bank as much as you can during your time, ignore the crap on the job, and switch at the end of your contract when the LOR issues disappear.

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Hidalgo03



Joined: 21 Sep 2016

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The caveat is, I have a chance to return to my old school that I really loved working at in March if I can get the LOR. The chance I have at home is actually my 2nd option.

If I just leave, I won't be able to work here and I want to do what I can to try and not make that a reality.

Edit:
"Start again with a new recruiter or better yet, pick a new country since you may not be able to return to work in Korea on an E2 until the expiry date of your ARC."

I thought there was zero chance for visa runs any more?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hidalgo03 wrote:
The caveat is, I have a chance to return to my old school that I really loved working at in March if I can get the LOR. The chance I have at home is actually my 2nd option.

If I just leave, I won't be able to work here and I want to do what I can to try and not make that a reality.

Edit:
"Start again with a new recruiter or better yet, pick a new country since you may not be able to return to work in Korea on an E2 until the expiry date of your ARC."

I thought there was zero chance for visa runs any more?


Some chance for visa runs for non-Americans - none if you are American with a multi-entry visa - even if you hand in your ARC.

90 days notice means a thorough screwing over by your current employer including but not limited to forgoing your last month's salary AND essentially no chance for a LOR anyway - they are NOT obliged to give you one and probably won't if there is a chance you may stick around and file a complaint for unpaid wages with the labor board.

Do what you wish but you have been warned.
A MNR is still the best option in cases like this.

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Hidalgo03



Joined: 21 Sep 2016

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


Some chance for visa runs for non-Americans - none if you are American with a multi-entry visa - even if you hand in your ARC.

90 days notice means a thorough screwing over by your current employer including but not limited to forgoing your last month's salary AND essentially no chance for a LOR anyway - they are NOT obliged to give you one and probably won't if there is a chance you may stick around and file a complaint for unpaid wages with the labor board.



Fair enough on the first point. I'm non-American, so what exactly stipulates a chance?

Also, I know they are not legally obligated, but that's what my plan is what it was; to bring in a post-dated LOR that, if she didn't sign, would mean I would leave that night. Would *beep* things over for the school and other teachers, and I don't think she'd want to risk me leaving. Worth a shot, isn't it?

I figure if she doesn't sign it, I could just MNR anyways.

If she does sign it, could I still MNR and use the LOR when the date it is post-dated to comes? That was one of my original questions I don't quite have an answer to yet.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hidalgo03 wrote:
ttompatz wrote:


Some chance for visa runs for non-Americans - none if you are American with a multi-entry visa - even if you hand in your ARC.

90 days notice means a thorough screwing over by your current employer including but not limited to forgoing your last month's salary AND essentially no chance for a LOR anyway - they are NOT obliged to give you one and probably won't if there is a chance you may stick around and file a complaint for unpaid wages with the labor board.



Fair enough on the first point. I'm non-American, so what exactly stipulates a chance?

Also, I know they are not legally obligated, but that's what my plan is what it was; to bring in a post-dated LOR that, if she didn't sign, would mean I would leave that night. Would *beep* things over for the school and other teachers, and I don't think she'd want to risk me leaving. Worth a shot, isn't it?

I figure if she doesn't sign it, I could just MNR anyways.

If she does sign it, could I still MNR and use the LOR when the date it is post-dated to comes? That was one of my original questions I don't quite have an answer to yet.


If they honor it, so should you. I know I sound naive, but some places don't actually know they're a sackofstinkyballs, so whatever.

You leave early, you, MOST likely(ALMOST DEFINITELY), will be reported to immigration and your current E2 is cancelled. That's it. Come back after your current year is up. A signed release letter won't be in your favor at all if you skip out before the agreed to dates. It especially WON'T be in your favor if you forget to pay bills.

Best of luck/skill.
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Hidalgo03



Joined: 21 Sep 2016

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:


If they honor it, so should you.


I would have every intention of doing so! Getting the post-dated LOR would be absolutely perfect, and I would certainly even go out of my way to help the school if everything else stayed kosher.

denverdeath wrote:

A signed release letter won't be in your favor at all if you skip out before the agreed to dates.


That's all I wanted to know.

I'm just playing out all of the situations (worst case scenarios) in my head, hence me asking such questions.
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