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The Deep State's Revolt
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they're visibly and loudly supported in their wrong views by the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, National Enquirer - and what's been labeled "Breitbart-led right-wing media ecosystem" ...

While Trump wants to limit press freedom for real journalists, I think it might help to somehow legally restrain the systematic propagation of blatantly false or made-up news motivated solely by political/economic gain (while protecting satire, parody and factual investigative reporting ...)
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ICE has made over 41,000 arrests

Only (at least) 10 million more to go!
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
Ironically, the Americans who wrap themselves around the flag and the bible the most supported Trump and are the Americans who are willing to ignore the possibility important officials may have been compromised by our enemy (Russia), steadfastly supporting an administration that is alienating our vital intelligence and law enforcement agencies rather than admit they were woefully and criminally wrong.
They have shown that America, the constitution and their beloved bible is subservient to them married to their visibly wrong choice.

I can understand the points your making, friend, but your phrasing can be considered demeaning to Christians. You can debate the said point while working to conform with the TOS. Thank you for your consideration. Really.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taylor, Stewart and other Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee stunned Congress-watchers last month for lining up behind an amendment by Lee to repeal the 2001 AUMF. After all, for the better part of two decades, Republicans had ignored Lee’s frequent efforts to rein in an executive branch that many feel has too much freedom to wage war around the globe. They rolled their eyes at ideas like her proposal to create a “Department of Peacebuilding” or to defund U.S. war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, they were signing on to an amendment that would, over Ryan’s objections, give Congress an eight-month window to debate and pass a new war resolution against the Islamic State and other terrorist groups. And it had Barbara Lee’s name on it.

The amendment was ultimately blocked this month from coming to the House floor for a vote. But the willingness of rank-and-file Republicans to support it has sent an unmistakable message to congressional leaders: They can no longer keep ducking this issue. The bipartisan support for Lee’s amendment has also made her a central player in the high-wire negotiations over the next steps—giving her some leverage, a rare commodity for a lawmaker on the far left in a Congress that for years has been veering right. The big question is whether she can capitalize on it. Can the pent-up frustration she has exposed within the Republican ranks translate into full-fledged debate to repeal the 2001 war resolution?

I wonder if Barbara Lee et alia can move the ball forward against the total endless war against phantoms.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bannon out.

Bannon's exit clears an obstacle for backers of an active U.S. foreign policy in line with recent presidencies — and is a resounding win for Bannon’s internal rival, national security adviser H.R. McMaster.

I disliked Bannon. But he was a reliable dove, as a practical (if not ideological) matter.

Ben Rhodes, a former top national security aide to former President Barack Obama, said Bannon’s main contributions was his backing for Trump’s early executive orders restricting travel from several Muslim-majority countries. Bannon was also a defender of his friend and ally Sebastian Gorka, a controversial White House adviser who often appears on television.

“On national security, it was hard to see Bannon’s influence anywhere other than the Muslim ban and Gorka doing cable hits, so I don't think it changes that much,” Rhodes said, adding: “It does suggest a greater likelihood of a troop increase in Afghanistan.”

The Muslim Ban was a dog's breakfast. But dissenting at national security meetings may have kept us out of war.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the campaign, Mr. Trump uttered a particular phrase which I suggested should be remembered: "I'm changing it." Well, it seems he's altering his position, leaving us to pray that he not alter it any further.

America’s longest war is about to get longer.

President Donald Trump on Monday pledged a new strategy in Afghanistan, while refusing to divulge troop numbers, as he said the office of the president had changed his instincts to pull out of the nearly 16-year-long war.

In a sober yet vague address, Trump laid out his rationale for continuing the foreign entanglement, despite having pledged during the campaign to end America’s engagement in wars without clear exits.

“My original instinct was to pull out, and historically I like following my instincts, but all of my life I heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office,” Trump said in a prime-time address to the nation from the Fort Myer military base in Arlington, Virginia. “However, our commitment is not unlimited, and our support is not a blank check. The American people expect to see real reforms and real results.”

Trump repeatedly blasted President Barack Obama for too hastily withdrawing from Iraq and for his preference for timetables in determining troop drawdowns. He promised a “dramatically” different approach to the war, with future troop levels based on conditions in the country, rather than any preset time frame.

Trump spoke in broad terms about the need for American allies, including India, to contribute to Afghanistan’s economic development, and was quick to stress the military, rather than political, goals of the war.

“We must stop the resurgence of safe havens that allow terrorists to threaten America,” Trump said. “We are not nation-building again. We are killing terrorists.”

“Our troops will fight to win” the president said. “We will fight to win. From now on, victory will have a clear definition.”

But no such clear definition was forthcoming. Trump promised “principled realism” and “strategically applied force,” and issued warnings both to militants and American allies in the region.


More than 2,400 Americans have died in the war since the initial invasion in October 2001, along with more than 1,000 coalition troops and over 30,000 soldiers and police officers with the U.S.-allied Afghan government forces. More than 31,000 Afghan civilians have been killed in the war.

On the campaign trail and before, Trump often advocated a more isolationist approach to American foreign policy. He excoriated President George W. Bush for invading Iraq (though in a 2002 radio interview Trump indicated support for the invasion), and regularly criticized Obama for continuing to wage the war in Afghanistan.

“We should leave Afghanistan immediately,” Trump wrote on Twitter in March 2013.

“No more wasted lives. If we have to go back in, we go in hard & quick. Rebuild the US first.”

In November of that year, he tweeted: “We have wasted an enormous amount of blood and treasure in Afghanistan. Their government has zero appreciation. Let’s get out!”


For Trump, whose rapid rise to the White House was built on the repeated shattering of political norms, Monday night’s address represented an acceptance of the same broad policy in the region that guided both Bush and Obama. He seemed to have accepted, grudgingly, the grim reality that American boots on the ground remain a critical ingredient to prevent a steady slide into chaos and violence.

For Obama, that lesson came in Iraq; for Trump, who takes great pride in undoing his predecessor’s work, his predecessor’s experience appeared to loom large.The Islamic State’s rise in Iraq, following the withdrawal of American forces there, factored into Trump’s decision, he said.

“A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS and al-Qaeda, would instantly fill,” Trump said. “In the end, we will win.”

Completely unsurprising. And if that is not enough, he hints about expanding into Pakistan as well.

"We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations," Trump declared, outlining a new US security strategy in South Asia.

"Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan. It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists," Trump said in a prime-time televised address at a military base near Washington.

Hopefully that "much to lose" is limited to aid money, but given the context of the speech, it's hard to know. Given how easily he was pushed into changing positions on this matter, it's easy enough to imagine him being pushed into more-or-less anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courtesy Geldedgoat April 7, 2017 in a locked thread

I think this may be as simple as Trump believing one thing; that if he does the same thing as the others who failed, he will achieve a markedly superior result.
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