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Onomatopoeia
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 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: How does monthly pay work? |
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| This is probably a stupid question but I've been here for three months now and it has just occured to me that I don't understand how I am paid. My contract asks 120 hours of me per week and I am paid 1.8 million per month. The wierd thing is that some months I work 20 days and others I work up to 25 days. So some months I've done an extra 5 days (120hrs) work for the same pay. Is that just normal, please let me know if its not? |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yup. That's how it works. You get a monthly salary, regardless of how many working days are actually in the month. You should also be getting your full monthly salary if you work less than the contract hours.
The only time your salary should be different is if you've worked overtime, in which case it'll be higher, or if you've exceeded your sick days, and your school decides to dock you. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:06 am Post subject: Re: How does monthly pay work? |
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| Onomatopoeia wrote: |
| This is probably a stupid question but I've been here for three months now and it has just occured to me that I don't understand how I am paid. My contract asks 120 hours of me per week and I am paid 1.8 million per month. The wierd thing is that some months I work 20 days and others I work up to 25 days. So some months I've done an extra 5 days (120hrs) work for the same pay. Is that just normal, please let me know if its not? |
Your first salaried position, I take it? 
Being paid on salary is not the same as being paid hourly. Salary means you are paid x amount per year, divided by y pay periods. Whether you work more hours or fewer hours per pay period has little bearing on the definition of a salaried employee. We do usually have contracted hourly amounts for over time, mind you.
"sal��a��ry Fixed compensation for services, paid to a person on a regular basis." |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: Re: How does monthly pay work? |
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| Onomatopoeia wrote: |
| My contract asks 120 hours of me per week and I am paid 1.8 million per month. |
120 hours per week? Good lord, man, that's 24 hours a day, 5 days a week! 
Check your contract. First, I assume it's actually 120 hours per month. Most hogwon contracts will give you overtime if you teach more than the maximum requirement (often 120 hours) in a month in classroom hours. If yours doesn't, then you're screwed. Whether or not you actually get your overtime pay may be another matter. |
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Onomatopoeia
Joined: 08 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your answers, I guess I'd figured that was the way it worked. Yes it is my first salaried position. I'd rather be back at uni, surfing everyday. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| One would think that the word monthly would tip you off....you did finish university right? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: |
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He's not asking a bad question, actually. Most hogwon jobs actually fall into a gray area between salary and hourly. We've been over this before on the board.
There probably is an overtime clause in his contract if it's any good. If he gets overtime after 120 classroom hours in a month (not unusual at all, at least on paper), and he taught 6 hours per day (also not that unusual), in a month like this one with 22 weekdays he'd be eligible for 12 hours of overtime pay. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| One would think that the word monthly would tip you off....you did finish university right? |
I am one that loves sarcasm but I think it was a good question also. (And it isn't my first job...though I too would like to be back in uni surfing everyday also) *ahhh dare to dream*
In Canada one company I worked for paid us Bi-weekly then switched to a middle of month end of month scheme (bi-monthly?) Still made the same amount of money per year but paychecks were different.
It's wacky because even though we are paid monthly for our base salary we always try to convert it back to an hourly rate to see how we are being screwed.
We look for overtime in the long months (rightfully so) but we forget about the times we don't work a full load. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Ok..I was being overly sarcastic... 
The question had some validity to it.... |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| That was one of the smaller perks of teaching adults- a month always had twenty work days- no more, no less. If there were 23 days that fell between Monday and Friday in a month, then we got three days holiday. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
He's not asking a bad question, actually. Most hogwon jobs actually fall into a gray area between salary and hourly. We've been over this before on the board.
There probably is an overtime clause in his contract if it's any good. If he gets overtime after 120 classroom hours in a month (not unusual at all, at least on paper), and he taught 6 hours per day (also not that unusual), in a month like this one with 22 weekdays he'd be eligible for 12 hours of overtime pay. |
Never thought of that. 
I make them write weekly hours into my contract, because I don't want them to be able to have me work 10 hours one week, and 50 hours the next. I guess I'm not being as smart as I thought I was. |
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Onomatopoeia
Joined: 08 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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oops, 120 a month, it just seems like 120 a week. But yeah, my contract specifies 120 hours a month so when I do 132 it would seem logical that I could hit them up for more money, I guess thats not the case. I'm kind of a travelling English salesman, I spend most of my day driving from small town to small town teaching in overcrowded classrooms. Only some of the travel is paid but my director is good fella and I don't mind cruising the countryside all week, so I guess I'll let it go.
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Onomatopoeia wrote: |
| oops, 120 a month, it just seems like 120 a week. But yeah, my contract specifies 120 hours a month so when I do 132 it would seem logical that I could hit them up for more money, I guess thats not the case. |
No, it most certainly is the case. If your contract says you are contracted to work 120 hours in a month and you work 132, you most certainly should be eligible for 12 hours of overtime pay. This is assuming your contract allows for overtime pay, and most hogwon contracts do.
Check your contract, do the math, and ask your boss for the overtime pay. It sounds like you've earned it, snide comments of some of the people on this board notwithstanding.
One more thing: Is each and every location you're teaching at listed on your E-2 visa as an approved teaching location? If not, all of this running around teaching in different towns is illegal and could land both you and your boss in hot water. |
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