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Early mornings, freetalking adults and split shifts?
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donniebrasco



Joined: 21 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Early mornings, freetalking adults and split shifts? Reply with quote

Just a quick question. Am I complete mug? I work 6.30-8.30am then 3-9 Mon-Fri. I do have a lot of breaks but I get 1.8 a month and its my second year. Thinking I might need a change. Actually while I'm writing this I know I'm definitely a mug. Would you quit?

Also have a freetalking adult class. Might sound easy but it gives me more stress than the rest of my classes put together. Does anyone else have this problem. The freetalking adults have superb english, so I don't really know what I should be teaching them as they already seem to know everything. Everyone seems happy now but I feel like they aren't really learning anything. Don't get me wrong the are lots of discussion books around but getting people to talk isn't always that easy.

Let me know what you guys think.
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johnriley007



Joined: 25 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you take that schedule in your second year? did they lie to you before you signed the contract?

also, have you quit a job before in korea, and how much time do you have left on your contract? if not, i would say definitely quit. find some easy, even part-time that will give you an e-2 or just come back on a tourist visa or student visa. quitting is a little stressful with immigration and your boss, but i've found my life has improved dramatically here since quitting.

i'm in my second year and i found a hagwon that only has me teachi mornings, and lets me work at another place at night. that's the thing i've found that if you're students are happy, then they don't care what you do outside of the school.

anyway, yes i would quit in your position - you're not a slave, you know Laughing
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That schedule and that pay sounds like hell. I agree with the posterooni before that wondered why you you take that for a second year?
I know how you feel about adults...read this for some comfort:


http://www.unipeak.com/gethtml.php?_u_r_l_=aHR0cDovL2tvcmVhbGlmZS5ibG9nc3BvdC5jb20vd2luZHkvaW5kZXguaHRtbA==

(temporary - i think - link to my blog)...
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: sigh Reply with quote

anyone who signs up for split shifts is a little crazy in my books!

I wouldnt sign that contract for under 2.5!
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freetalking classes aren't there to teach anything, they are there for "practice".

Finding things to talk about is difficult, especially when the students English level is not really ready for a free talking class.

The most frustrating thing for me is when a new student enters a "free-talking" class, who can't even put together a simple sentence and whom I can't understand at all.

It's more a problem of misplaced students than anything you can do as a teacher. The best you can do is keep mixing it up, with lots of different stuff from different sources. Do the odd pop song, some news articles, some entertainment articles etc.
You could also try to ask the students to take some responibility for finding topics to discuss. (yeah I know, it's like asking for moon) but it's worth a try. You might be surprised.

Get each student to prepare a topic to discuss for one day a week, say Friday. Each Friday a different student gets a shot at it. Just a thought.
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free talking - take some articles from the newspaper - topical - and they will always generate conversatio and will also teach vocabulary.
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sparkx



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are also some good conversation books you can purchase ("50 Korean Issues" or something like that was my fav. which is great for getting the class fired up). I personally LOVED teaching free talking. You learn a hell of a lot about "hidden" korea from things that slip during the heated debates.

My fav. was a discussion on homosexuality. This tough guy who attended the class and always wore his full military uniform, adamantly proclaimed that homosexuality was a sin and should be punishable by death. When i pushed him to elaborate he said, "there was a gay guy in the military who had serious psychological issues -- he was crazy! He let everybody have sex with him"

I asked him, "so what about your fellow officers that were having sex with the gay guy? If they were having sex with another man, doesn't that make them gay too?"

His answer: "No. They were just having fun."

Honest to god true story...

The guy never came back after this class.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkx wrote:
My fav. was a discussion on homosexuality. This tough guy who attended the class and always wore his full military uniform, adamantly proclaimed that homosexuality was a sin and should be punishable by death. When i pushed him to elaborate he said, "there was a gay guy in the military who had serious psychological issues -- he was crazy! He let everybody have sex with him"

I asked him, "so what about your fellow officers that were having sex with the gay guy? If they were having sex with another man, doesn't that make them gay too?"

His answer: "No. They were just having fun."

Honest to god true story...

The guy never came back after this class.


I would have asked him if he had sex with the gay guy. And assuming he would have said yes, I would have asked, "Doesn't that make you gay?"

Great story Sparx.
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No L



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make your students responsible for the class with yourself in more of a moderator role. One student a day picks the topic, prepares in advance, give a small presentation on the topic with new, related vocabulary and students discuss afterwards. Your role would be to make sure everyone has a chance to express themselves and to move along the discussion at any point.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
Free talking - take some articles from the newspaper - topical - and they will always generate conversatio and will also teach vocabulary.


I do the same for my adult advanced classes. Find something that they're interested in, find articles on the net, print it off. Read, comprehend, discuss.

Or if they are younger advanced adults, print off a script of a Friends or Sex and the City episode and teach them the contemporary english that the characters are using. I have some advanced classes and they are eating that stuff up.
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.8 million??

Someone's getting rich and it's not you...
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
1.8 million??

Someone's getting rich and it's not you...


Yes. But your head is so far up your own butt, you're not really in a position to make a reasonable, unbiased comment.
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
1.8 million??

Someone's getting rich and it's not you...


Yes. But your head is so far up your own butt, you're not really in a position to make a reasonable, unbiased comment.


Question
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prosodic wrote:
sparkx wrote:
My fav. was a discussion on homosexuality. This tough guy who attended the class and always wore his full military uniform, adamantly proclaimed that homosexuality was a sin and should be punishable by death. When i pushed him to elaborate he said, "there was a gay guy in the military who had serious psychological issues -- he was crazy! He let everybody have sex with him"

I asked him, "so what about your fellow officers that were having sex with the gay guy? If they were having sex with another man, doesn't that make them gay too?"

His answer: "No. They were just having fun."

Honest to god true story...

The guy never came back after this class.


I would have asked him if he had sex with the gay guy. And assuming he would have said yes, I would have asked, "Doesn't that make you gay?"

Great story Sparx.


There was an article in one of the Korean english dailies about rape in the Korean military last summer. Something like 4 in 10 soldiers had been either victims or perpretrators. That freaked me out, in this "there are NO gay people here" society!!!
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
Toby wrote:
Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
1.8 million??

Someone's getting rich and it's not you...


Yes. But your head is so far up your own butt, you're not really in a position to make a reasonable, unbiased comment.


Question


Laughing
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