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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:24 am Post subject: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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Have you noticed that your Korean friends who speak English sometimes assume the Koreans around them don't speak English?
Case 1: My Korean-American friend. We were at the Hyundai department store in Sinchon. She was buying make up for her sister back in Texas. While the woman serving her was wrapping up her package, my Korean-American friend just started tearing into her appearance to me in English. "I don't like her smile. It's a crooked smile. She looks very dishonest." "Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
Case 2: My domestic Korean friend "Christy" and I were at some coffee shop in Sinchon. The place was packed and we sat at a table for four with a single Korean woman doing her home work. She starts going on in English about how pretty the woman across the table is. Okay not an entirely bad thing to say but still. The woman is a university student, likely going to Ewha or Yonsei. Not like you need a great command of English to go there��
Case 3: My Korean-Kiwi friend and I were on a subway going through Gangnam. Again, part of town where you'll find Koreans with a decent command of English. My friend is a stripper back in Auckland so her English is some what peppered with exotic terminology. She starts tearing down this old woman sitting across from us chewing her gum like a cow (she was pretty loud and of course was adding in the requisite snapping sounds). And then she starts telling me how I should not trust the Korean she teaches me. "For all you know I could be teaching you not how to say 'could you update my bankbook, but 'excuse me could I shave your p_ussy?'" Stuff like that. I was dying. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
"For all you know I could be teaching you not how to say 'could you update my bankbook, but 'excuse me could I shave your p_ussy?'" Stuff like that. I was dying. |
Maybe she thinks you need that....  |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
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If she speaks enough English to understand the kind of comments that native speakers throw out in casual conversation, she could probably find better employment than as a department store drone. And now I am going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say that probably 90% of Koreans don't have a clue what you're saying about them in front of them around them whenever.
And if they do, more power to them. They might just learn something. Like that cracking your gum is not cool. Or that they should stop playing with their cellphones to try and look busy.
Bottom line: who cares if they understand or not? |
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haywill22

Joined: 22 May 2004 Location: Tri-city area Chinhae, Masan, Chang-won
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Oh man,
I made that mistake the first month I was here. Sitting in a crowded pojanmacha with my american friend getting drunk, a korean girl came in and sat down at the table. This girl was hot but her teeth were gnawrled and had deep brown lateral lines running across them. We ignorantly began discussing the travesty of such an endowment on a fellow human, not too quietly either.
A couple days later in same tent with my korean friend, I noted the girl was there again, another korean old man asks me if Romeo and Juliet was a tragedy? Not really knowing the answer I said I thought it was, and then 3 koreans and myself began discussing it.
The girl with bad teeth chimed in with great english and explained to me that it wasn't a tragedy, that she studys Western Literature and "the real tragedy is that a Korean girl with 'nawaled' teeth had to tell you about western literature"
I smiled and bought her a bottle of soju and we've since become friends frequenting the same tent.
By the way ... to you literature majors (or those who knew in middle school ) is R&J a tragedy? No? because only the two main characters die and not the entire cast? I don't know. Sorry to go off topic. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: thekimchipot.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:30 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
My Korean-Kiwi friend and I were on a subway going through Gangnam. Again, part of town where you'll find Koreans with a decent command of English. My friend is a stripper back in Auckland so her English is some what peppered with exotic terminology |
Hummm...I think that it would be in everybody's best interest if I met with your friend to discuss uhhhmmmm "cultural sensitivity". |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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a true shakespearean tragedy is defined by the death of the main protagonist, which is caused by his/her fatal flaw. for example, in macbeth, it is his greed which lead to his demise. in king lear it is his hubris that kills him.
romeo and juliet is definately a tragedyas the two main protagonists die. one could say that it is their love which is their "fatal flaw", though i'd be more inclined to argue for their naivete which kills. |
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Dispatched
Joined: 08 May 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Hubris? Sounds like a type of Korean car... but I guess getting run over by ones car is indeed a tragedy... |
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royjones

Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Location: post count: 512
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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Corporal wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
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If she speaks enough English to understand the kind of comments that native speakers throw out in casual conversation, she could probably find better employment than as a department store drone. And now I am going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say that probably 90% of Koreans don't have a clue what you're saying about them in front of them around them whenever.
And if they do, more power to them. They might just learn something. Like that cracking your gum is not cool. Or that they should stop playing with their cellphones to try and look busy.
you are definately bitter beyond your years.
Bottom line: who cares if they understand or not? |
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mog

Joined: 06 May 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:05 am Post subject: |
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That would be Greek tragedy, by the way. |
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prosodic

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: ����
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: |
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mog wrote: |
That would be Greek tragedy, by the way. |
Mog is correct. Paperbag Princess's definition of tragedy applies to the greek version of the genre. Shakespeare's version includes the death of the hero and/or heroine, but the death is not necessarily caused by hamartia, or a "fatal flaw" as PP put it.
Romeo and Juliet is classified as a tragedy. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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Corporal wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
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If she speaks enough English to understand the kind of comments that native speakers throw out in casual conversation, she could probably find better employment than as a department store drone. And now I am going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say that probably 90% of Koreans don't have a clue what you're saying about them in front of them around them whenever.
And if they do, more power to them. They might just learn something. Like that cracking your gum is not cool. Or that they should stop playing with their cellphones to try and look busy.
Bottom line: who cares if they understand or not? |
So if you're standing in line and hear two Korean girls behind you making fun of the dumpy white chick in front of them, you wouldn't mind? |
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prosodic

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: ����
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Corporal wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
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If she speaks enough English to understand the kind of comments that native speakers throw out in casual conversation, she could probably find better employment than as a department store drone. And now I am going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say that probably 90% of Koreans don't have a clue what you're saying about them in front of them around them whenever.
And if they do, more power to them. They might just learn something. Like that cracking your gum is not cool. Or that they should stop playing with their cellphones to try and look busy.
Bottom line: who cares if they understand or not? |
So if you're standing in line and hear two Korean girls behind you making fun of the dumpy white chick in front of them, you wouldn't mind? |
Umm, I'm pretty sure the dumpy white chick would mind, but I don't think that's Corporal's point. My understanding of Corporal's point is that she doesn't care if the object of derision does or doesn't understand. I take it that means that she also doesn't care if the object of derision is offended.
I'm not saying that I completely agree with Corporal, but I do understand her viewpoint.
By the way mindmetoo, are you saying that Corporal is a dumpy white chick?  |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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prosodic wrote: |
My understanding of Corporal's point is that she doesn't care if the object of derision does or doesn't understand. I take it that means that she also doesn't care if the object of derision is offended. |
She cares when she's the object. For example, she's posted messages about how she hates when people assume she's American. So the not caring thing is pretty much a one-way street. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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prosodic wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
Corporal wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
Ummm Rucia how do you know she's not a university student studying English Literature?"
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If she speaks enough English to understand the kind of comments that native speakers throw out in casual conversation, she could probably find better employment than as a department store drone. And now I am going to pull a statistic out of my ass and say that probably 90% of Koreans don't have a clue what you're saying about them in front of them around them whenever.
And if they do, more power to them. They might just learn something. Like that cracking your gum is not cool. Or that they should stop playing with their cellphones to try and look busy.
Bottom line: who cares if they understand or not? |
So if you're standing in line and hear two Korean girls behind you making fun of the dumpy white chick in front of them, you wouldn't mind? |
Umm, I'm pretty sure the dumpy white chick would mind, but I don't think that's Corporal's point. My understanding of Corporal's point is that she doesn't care if the object of derision does or doesn't understand. I take it that means that she also doesn't care if the object of derision is offended.
I'm not saying that I completely agree with Corporal, but I do understand her viewpoint.
By the way mindmetoo, are you saying that Corporal is a dumpy white chick?  |
Don't all white women here think they're dumpy compared to the local talent they have to compete with for preferential mates or keeping their husbands from straying? |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy Korean friends thinking only they know english |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
Don't all white women here think they're dumpy compared to the local talent they have to compete with for preferential mates or keeping their husbands from straying? |
Umm- what? Most women aren't so catty as to view every woman around as competition. As well, I've noticed that the guys here spend a lot of time trashtalking about other guys... food for thought, no? |
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