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Azure
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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So happen my friend translated a piece of news for me. It��s about Chinese teachers teaching Chinese in Korea. Anyone who knows the situation of expatriate teachers teaching non-English language in Korea is also welcomed to post here.
��Chinese teachers drained out from the country (source: people��s web, China)
Many Chinese teachers in China want to gain some oversea working experiences. According to certain reporting, those who teach Chinese language in Korea will have the following attractive remuneration: work for 6 hours daily for 5 days a week. Contract period: 2 years. Every year awarded a paid vacation to return home for visit (Employer provides round trip ticket). The school provides accommodation, meals, medical and accident insurance. Monthly salary: US$600. With such good offer, the company expects more on the candidate: female teacher below 30. Receive formal education in Chinese language and education. Chinese language teaching experience. Teacher certificate holder. Perfect mandarin speaking with no dialect accent. Mandarin aptitude test grade��A�� or above.��
It seems that they ask more from those teachers but pay less than that of English teachers. English teachers have salaries 3 times more than that of Chinese teachers. But I don��t think the tuition fee of Chinese/ Mandarin class is 3 times less than that in English class. Perhaps, those ��hagwon�� owners earn more from giving Chinese courses.
Demand and supply��. Demand and supply��.  
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. |
Top of the waygooks? Really? Wow. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: yes |
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| I think they r comparing it to wages in China, and hoping to attract poor Chinese people. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I've worked with a couple of Chinese language teachers here, and I know they tend to get treated more like the Korean teachers (ie walked on) than tlike us. The facts in that article about what the Korean contracts offer do sound off though. Two years? Meals? Accident insurance? These things make me wonder if the quoted pay rate is accuate. I'd say it's a lot closer to what a Kyopo teaching regular hagwon classes would make. |
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fruitcake
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Location: shinchon
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so don't teach Chinese  |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
But then why complain? Just go back to your home country and make what you think you should be making then. If you wish to stay here, then it's kind of silly to complain, since it is your choice. |
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Azure
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
You��re right in saying "Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either." As I am a new comer to this site, I can feel the kind of antagonism prevail somehow. I just want to provide an alternative view. Being screwed up and exploit by school owners is not unique in Korea but happened to nearly all countries. (See the journal section in this cafe). Being an ��expatriate�� one must prepare for the worst, that you are always regarded as a ��2nd class citizen�� by the locals, no matter how long you live there. The expression may not be overt, but it is true.  |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
But then why complain? Just go back to your home country and make what you think you should be making then. If you wish to stay here, then it's kind of silly to complain, since it is your choice. |
I knew someone would write this.
Some of us come for reasons other than simply making money (which, admittedly, I could make more in my home country for the same work). If I had only come for the work and experienced such conditions, I would not have stayed.
Still, I don't think that simply choosing to work in another country gives your employer the green light to exploit you.
Besides, a lot of those getting exploited are the newcomers who never expected to be in such a situation. Their choice wasn't to be exploited or otherwise harrassed. |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
Why on earth would someone compare salary and working conditions between two entirely different countries with different standards and costs of living??? |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Current Situation. Teachers of other languages in Korea |
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| Hagwon Muppet wrote: |
| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| Azure wrote: |
For those who grudge and complain about teaching English here, please realize you are already at the top of the ��wagoogin�� group. (I regard non-Korean, including Chinese as ��wagoogin��) |
So only those with the worst situations can complain?
When I compare, I compare to what I could be making in my home country for the same work and same hours. Sadly, I think many hakwons fall short. And after falling short they ask for more. Just 'cause it ain't the bottom don't mean it's perfect, either. |
Why on earth would someone compare salary and working conditions between two entirely different countries with different standards and costs of living??? |
Well, you're probably going to compare it to something, aren't you? I'm not going to compare it to some country which has similar conditions as Korea but no real bearing on my life.
Why compare it to my home country? Because I still have student loans to pay off. If, when compared to what I can make in my home country, I won't be able earn enough money to pay off my loans and save some money, then I have to weigh that against my reasons for staying here.
Hakwon Muppet, when you purchase something here, do you never think about how much you are paying in terms of your own countries currency? Has it never influenced your decision to purchase something? It's kinda similar, ain't it? |
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