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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:30 am    Post subject: Grammar gurus...help! Reply with quote

Which is correct: I like talking to her because she's ........ to talk to.

a) happy b) glad c) delighted d) pleasant


Of course the answer is D, but....WHY???? The best I could come up with is that happy, glad and delighted are emotions...but...????
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's exactly it. In the sentence, you want to describe her from your own perspective, not how she is feeling. Pleasant describes how you see her. Happy, glad, and delighted all describe how she may be feeling, which is not what the sentence is about.
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Lizara



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my attempt:

"she's _______ to talk to" - this part of the sentence isn't about her, it's about what it's like to talk to her. She isn't the subject of the sentence, and neither are you, so using an emotion like "happy" or "glad" makes no sense in that context. "It's happy to talk to her" - no. "It's pleasant to talk to her." - yes. "Delightful" would work, but not "delighted." If you were going to use an emotional word, you'd have to make yourself the subject and then talk about your feelings about talking to her, e.g., "I'm happy to talk to her."

but I'm guessing there are people around here who might be able to give a more technical explanation than I can.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delighted is a verb, which takes that off the list. Between the other three (all adjectives), the definition of each word is different. It's not really a grammar issue, but more of a definition issue, which others have already clarified.

If you don't get it offhand, pop over to dictionary.com and take a peek at the definition of each word.
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer: sorry to do the real reality thing, but from m-w.com:

Quote:
Main Entry: de��light��ed
Function: adjective


I made the same mistake while I was talking to my student and she corrected me. Embarassed


Lizara: This sounds like an explaination I can live with...AND explain!
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
Zyzyfer: sorry to do the real reality thing, but from m-w.com:

Quote:
Main Entry: de��light��ed
Function: adjective


I made the same mistake while I was talking to my student and she corrected me. Embarassed


It's an adjective in the example, but to be fair it could be a verb as well:
You've delighted me once again.

Wait.. maybe it's still an adjective there... now I'm not sure.
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waggo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks like present perfect to me!!
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I like talking to her because she's pleasant to talk to.


There are two independent clauses in this sentence, two prepositional phrases and one connector word (conjunction)

I-Subject
like-verb
talking-gerund, object of the verb "like"
to-preposition
her-object of preposition "to"
because-connector word (coordinating conjunction)
she-subject
's (is)-verb
pleasant-TRANSITIVE ADJECTIVE
to-preposition
talk to-object of preposition "to"


Happy, glad and delighted are intransitive adjectives.

Am I right?
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agraham wrote:
ajuma wrote:
Zyzyfer: sorry to do the real reality thing, but from m-w.com:

Quote:
Main Entry: de��light��ed
Function: adjective


I made the same mistake while I was talking to my student and she corrected me. Embarassed


It's an adjective in the example, but to be fair it could be a verb as well:
You've delighted me once again.

Wait.. maybe it's still an adjective there... now I'm not sure.


"delighted" is a past participle (verb form). However, past participles can also be used as adjectives. Some examples:

verb: to fry / past participle form: fried

as a verb: She got fried by the sun.

as an adjective: I like fried chicken.


verb: to bore / past participle form: bored

as a verb: I was so bored by his story.

as an adjective: That guy looks really bored.


So, delighted is a verb form (past participle), but it is also an adjective. The lines can be blurred as well. For example, the following sentence:

He was really delighted by her phone call.

can be seen as using "delighted" as a verb in a passive structure, or as an adjective in a "be + adjective" structure. Anyway, the bottom line is: "delighted" is both a verb form as well as an adjective.
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