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Is 2.1+ unreasonable for a NewB w/no experience?
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:54 am    Post subject: Is 2.1+ unreasonable for a NewB w/no experience? Reply with quote

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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

You don't have much to bargain with, mate. Perhaps you are Achillies, but they think about the bottom line....money. You are a novice with zero experience and therefore you will be paid 2.0 . Try it if you like, but looks are only important as far as getting a job. They aren't looking for a gigolo. How do you suppose being so gorgeous would help? Getting a bunch of women 20~ 25 yrs old into the hagwon? Or attention-starved married women?

Pretty funny to tell them "I want 2.1 because I am good-looking".

Dial-tone ensues. Laughing Embarassed
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Juggertha



Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think looks DO count. Now, what they count for is a different matter. I've seen directors look at two application and pick the better looking one simply because they "felt better about it".

But when it comes to getting mroe money, i'd doubt it. You might get a job easier but thats it IMO.

Good luck with it though.
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you come from?

Someone with an accent from Canada, for example, if often more marketable than an Aussie with an education degree and a bad accent Koreans find undesirable.

Right or wrong, that's the truth.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is 2.1+ unreasonable for a NewB w/no experience? Reply with quote

CustomX wrote:
I've been researching jobs for a while, and it seems pretty easy to get a job for 1.9 or 2.0 w/no experience. Do you think 2.1 or more is reasonable for a just graduated (2 weeks ago) fairly good looking 23 year old male? Since reading on the board that the Hagwon owners tend to higher a lot based on looks, dont you think I could use my good looks to work for me in negotiating a salary? Im not trying to say im a model or anything, but I figure if they are going to use me to attract students, i may as well ask them for higher pay. What do you think?


Koreans won't pay more for better looking. They'll happily pay less for "does the job". Parents won't pick your school over another because you're fabulous looking. They'll pick you based on accent and even education/experience if they think it that far.

To justify an extra 100K a month, you'd have to bring in 3 more students than your basic North American fugly would bring in. Would your school even be able to quantify that, verify that your drop dead looks puts an extra 600K a month in their pockets? I worked with a guy who did an amazing job, over the course of a year helped doubled the number of students, and they gave him an extra 100K. Sometimes you can negotiate based on results. Sometimes.

Given your lack of experience, I don't think you have much room to negotiate. What can you negotiate with? Your MA in education or being able to say "I'm not a 300 lbs woman." Guess what, there are 5,000 slender good looking unemployable recent grads looking for a 1.9-2 mil ESL right behind you. Next.

I predict this guy is going to find Korea a real eye opener.


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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First up, if you're looking at places purely on the basis of money, then chances are you're oging to get screwed. There are far more important things to worry about than whether you're getting an extra 100k in the bank.

Secondly, a lot schools prefer to hire women. My current gig won't hire young single men if they can avoid it, and my last school wouldn't hire males either.

Third if you don't hold an american or canadain passport you're accent isn't as deseriable which is major turn off to a lot of bosses.

Also given the state of the market at the moment in a lot of places having a nice face might get you in the door but if you start making unreasonable demands they'll move on to the next 20 something grad as it's not like there isn't a shortage of them here.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CustomX wrote:
Well im thinking that if they hire a good looking teacher, more parents are going to want to send their kids to that hagwon. Again, this is all coming from information that I have read on this board. I've read about people being hired based on their headshot, only for the owner to find some 300lb woman with a good face but fat body coming off the plane. I wouldnt use my looks as a negotiating factor, I would use the type of degree earned or something else. Do you know if I would be able to negotiate with a recruiter?


People aren't hired on the basis of their headshot ,and if you garnered such an opinion from this place, then you should learn to read a little deeper. Skills, mate....strong resumes to go with pretty pictures.

Mother on the phone:

"Yes, my child isn't learning and he can't really teach, but he's handsome. I am happy." Laughing

You are talking about 300lb women....dude....not good. May I ask your age?

What are your negotiating tools? What do you bring to the table that others don't have? Why would a hagwon want to pay you more? The only thing you have mentioned is your looks.
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CanadaCommando



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, I know that everyone else has already jumped on ya in this thread, but I can't resist.

There are thousands of us ESL teachers out there-Do ya really think you're so much better looking than the rest of us that ya deserve more?! Laughing

The others are right. Concentrating on all the wrong things. Remember that the all significant 2.1 is just an extra hundred bucks a month. Usually, the jobs that offer that expect quite a bit for a teacher. Look for good schedules, locations, and talk to other teachers first. If ya get a bad gig, you'll drink away far more than that .1...

Of course, being as hot as you are, you could just get some of the girls here to buy you some drinks... Laughing
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're good looking, you'll have an easier time finding privates to teach, I think. But that's about it Confused
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I think it matters a little bit, but its unlikely you will get that much pay.

Do you have some other qualifications? TESOL cert or Masters?
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dull artist



Joined: 20 Jun 2004
Location: Osan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My god. Dude, I've read some of your other posts where it's obvious that your grasp of the language (and your total immaturity) leads me to believe that you're coming to 'teach' for all the wrong reasons. I would think hard about what you really want to do in this country before you come here to rape it.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP may have read a recent post of mine about headshots and making yourself more marketable/presentable, to a culture and industry that puts a greater emphasis on that, than back home. To reiterate, your looks and marketability of having a good professional shot done of you for marketing yourself, will open up more doors and get more attention. If done right and you do have the looks and it is reflected in your photo, then you will have a lot of emails in your inbox.

The benefit is that they will take you over the 30 other candidates that they have, if no one else looks the part as well as you. But, a school will NOT hire someone for, say, 2.2, who is attractive, if they know that they can get another avg looking joe to sign for 2.0.

Now, if you were a hot North American women in Seoul, have good experience in country, speaks good Korean, and knows who to market and represent yourself, you will be pulling in 4-8 mil/mnth, if networked properly. But that's not hagwon stuff that I'm talking about.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
I think the OP may have read a recent post of mine about headshots and making yourself more marketable/presentable, to a culture and industry that puts a greater emphasis on that, than back home. To reiterate, your looks and marketability of having a good professional shot done of you for marketing yourself, will open up more doors and get more attention. If done right and you do have the looks and it is reflected in your photo, then you will have a lot of emails in your inbox.


good point. I remember the last time of hiring I delibertly had a shot with me and student looking happy. It was corny, but it worked a charm.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: Is 2.1+ unreasonable for a NewB w/no experience? Reply with quote

CustomX wrote:
I've been researching jobs for a while, and it seems pretty easy to get a job for 1.9 or 2.0 w/no experience. Do you think 2.1 or more is reasonable for a just graduated (2 weeks ago) fairly good looking 23 year old male? Since reading on the board that the Hagwon owners tend to higher a lot based on looks, dont you think I could use my good looks to work for me in negotiating a salary? Im not trying to say im a model or anything, but I figure if they are going to use me to attract students, i may as well ask them for higher pay. What do you think?

That's a good question. I've been thinking the same thing. I have a very large, long *beep*, and regardless of any teaching ability I may or may not have, I think 2.4 is a reasonable salary for someone with a pleasure animal my size. Wouldn't you agree that I should use my awe-inspiring love lever to work for me in negotiating a salary? I'm not trying to say I'm a tripod or anything, but I figure if I can satisfy the hogwan director's wife, her sister, her sister's best friend, the goat at the grandfather's farm, and a student or two, I may as well ask them for a higher pay as well.

After all, it's done most of my thinking and talking for me up to this point. It's so big that I often have trouble thinking straight, because so much blood rushes to it when I get an erection that I usually faint. I've even taught it to whistle.

What do you think?

Rolling Eyes
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