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Frontpage sucks. What else is there?

 
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject: Frontpage sucks. What else is there? Reply with quote

Hello all. I've just finally bought a computer. I know. So I want to learn how to do websites. I've found so far that frontpage really sucks

So.

1. I tried doing a knock up one in Frontpage. And that sucks. What other programs to you suggest?

Are some of these free or if not where can I buy them?

Cheers
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dreamweaver is great, but it's pricey. if you look there are lots of ( illegal) freebies around though.
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The King of Kwangju



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Frontpage sucks. What else is there? Reply with quote

peemil wrote:
I've found so far that frontpage really sucks.

FrontPage 2003 does not suck at all. I've built some great sites with it. Make sure it's 2003, though.

FP 2003 is your bandsaw. Your scalpel is TopStyle.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mostly just use Word, save it as filtered HTML to get it there 80%, and then fine tune the rest the old fashioned way (a la notepad).
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pagemill.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frontpage does suck, mostly because it uses bloated code. but for a wysiswyg editor it is great and very intuitive. Dreamweaver is much more poweful but the learning curve is also a lot steeper.

I've heard good things about coffeecup, but never tried it out. Now when I build my pages I do it by hand using notepad++
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.evrsoft.com/


1st Page 2000
Version 2.0 Free Edition
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the saint



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd echo the recommendation to learn the HTML - it is REALLY easy code and makes for way more efficient pages. WHen you just can't seem to get it right with a program like Frontpage or Pagemill you can figure out why by understanding the code.

I recommend HTML Beauty in particular and also Arachnophilia to help you with scripting HTML.
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klaasb



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't agree more!

HTML is REALLY easy to learn.

However, a lot of books cover VERY OLD FASHIONED HTML, while everybody in the business know you should be working with CSS nowadays.

http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0804d.shtml

a book recommendation from someone who knows what he is talking about.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

klaasb wrote:
However, a lot of books cover VERY OLD FASHIONED HTML, while everybody in the business know you should be working with CSS nowadays

Don't get confused by this, it is still important to know HTML but not for design or layout. Your layout should be seperated from your content and that is what CSS is all about.

googling for CSS tutorials will show you everything you need.
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danielcraig



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Location: Indiana, USA

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:28 am    Post subject: What do you want to do? Reply with quote

Hi peemil,

It really depends on what you want to do on the Web.

1) What is your skill level? 0 beginner?

2) What would you like your page(s) to accomplish?

3) What technologies will you need to use to accomplish your goals? Answer question 2 first. (i.e., HTML, Flash, javascript, PHP, etc...)

With these questions answered folks on the board could provide more customized feedback. There are so many options, no need to go learn something that you won't use or that can be done using a shortcut.

In general, I agree with a posting above. 1st Page 2000 is a good freebie, but if you have FrontPage already (and you are a newbie) stick with it.
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Gregarious Monk



Joined: 13 Sep 2004
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:08 pm    Post subject: Mozilla Composer Reply with quote

If you're not looking for anything super-technical or fancy, try Mozilla Composer, it comes with Mozilla web-browser (free download)

Review and extra links here:
http://www.thesitewizard.com/reviews/mozillacomposer.shtml

I covers the basics and is WYSIWYG. Give it a try, at $0 it's the right price for a test drive.

Cheers
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An OLD version of Netscape is what I use (Mac 4.7.) Then I clean it up in SimpleText.

It meets my needs. Embarassed
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option is to find a CMS that meets your needs and install it or get someone to do that for you (I have done this for several clients and offer cheap installation). A good CMS will meet your design needs usually with several default themese to choose from and ease of adding content.

For a good list of CMS systems that you can try out visit Opensource CMS and look down the left side. Every single one of them has a demo installation where you can play around with the admin side to see what it is like. I have personally installed every CMS on that list with the exception of one or two.

To compare feature lists of any two CMS visit CMS feature comparator
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rNS



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Macheon Dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreeeaaamWeaver I believe you can get me through the night...........ooooh ooooh
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