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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: money vs culture Reply with quote

Related to the bitter waygook thread:

It seems to be coming down to a battle between those here for the money (let's call them mercenaries) and those here for the culture ( let's call them naive idealists)

Don't get angry about the labels. Whichever side of the battle you're on, you know that's how you see the others.Wink

My question- why does it have to be one or the other, and aren't there areas in between? Why does it become a moral issue for so many?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money grabber or culture soaker?

If I had to choose: I''d say I'm a soaker. I'm not a grabber. I don't need the money, though it sure doesn't hurt. Smile

But many of us aren't here primarily for either the money or the culture.

Maybe I'm a searcher.

Are you a grabber? soaker? searcher?

How would you conceptualize it?
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: money vs culture Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
My question- why does it have to be one or the other, and aren't there areas in between? Why does it become a moral issue for so many?


Good question. I'm in an area in between.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this moment in time, I'm a teacher.

I did the culture thing, but I'm at a point now where the more I learn about Korea, the less I find to like. (sounds horrible but it's true for me)

The thing is, I love my students, and I really enjoy teaching them (okay-
97% of the time I love them Wink) Korea is a place where I can do that and pay the bills. For now, that's what keeps me here.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were looking for money, I sure wouldn't be here! Then again, if I were really looking for culture by now, I sure wouldn't be here either!

I think it's the smell of freshly eaten garlic that permeates the business suits of half asleep, red-faced ajosshis. Or the sour smell of the side streets in the back roads at 7am as people head out to work with somber faces that betray the excitement of the previous night in downtown Seoul. Whatever it is, it convinced me to come back!

That's why I can't complain...anything that upsets me here is something I put myself into by deciding to hop on the plane over...
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Wisco Kid



Joined: 07 Sep 2004
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mercenary

For pure culture I'd be in the Himalayas or Southeast Asia.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why you can't fall in between the two? I'm here for money and because I enjoy the culture.
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dutchman



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly didn't come here for the money. But I DID stay as long as I have because of the money and will be leaving next year with a lot of money. I don't care what label you put on me because, as already stated, I'm leaving next year with a LOT of money. Very Happy
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chinook



Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Location: canada

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i came to korea because the job came with an appartment.

i also came to experience life in asia, but it was the free place to stay that did it for me. and the one year contract-after a year of temping, i was fed up with uncertainty. i had a year that i need to fill before immigrating to scotland, and so here i am, with my own place and a whole new country and job to explore.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Related to the bitter waygook thread:

It seems to be coming down to a battle between those here for the money (let's call them mercenaries) and those here for the culture ( let's call them naive idealists)

Don't get angry about the labels. Whichever side of the battle you're on, you know that's how you see the others.

No.
Quote:

My question- why does it have to be one or the other, and aren't there areas in between? Why does it become a moral issue for so many?

It doesn't, there are, I don't think it does.

I would need to do a job and make money wherever I was, be that at home, or anywhere in the world.

After three years I wouldn't say it's the "culture" that keeps me here. I guess I'd refer to it as the "lifestyle" that one can have. That includes being paid reasonably for pretty enjoyable work, plus all of the social elements that come with the territory.

I don't think Korea is like the most amazing country in the world or anything. I have a good time here, and I just don't see the point of moving at this stage.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course everyone is here for the money!! and while they have the money , then they say ohh im here for the culture!!

but if you were making *beep* all money you wouldnt be saying im here for the culture!!!
PPLLLEEEAAASSEEE!!!!
unless you are here studying martial arts.. or some other arts..
unrelated to work.. then I truely believe 98% of us..
are here for cash 1st.. then other stuff 2nd.. come on be honest people!
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Bunnymonster



Joined: 16 Mar 2004
Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm here for the culture/adventure of living in a foreign land (its the first leg of my colour in the bits on the world map where I haven't been yet tour). I'm working in a crappy two-bit hogwon for the money, pure and simple, if I were being paid any less I would have gone already, but my salary is just enough to make me think twice each time some crap takes place..... 5 more months.....
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made up my mind to live abroad for a while. I sent out some applications. Offers (for the same work),came in. Some paying $500 a month and some paying $2000 a month, which would you choose?

That explains why I am in Korea rather than Indonesia or Thailand.
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Ya-Ta Boy. Why else would people be in Korea? If you wanted to learn culture, why not volunteer or work for peanuts in another country like Thailand(much nicer, but pay is too low, no)? People come here for the cash and free apt, and anything on top(like culture) is a bonus.
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
but if you were making *beep* all money you wouldnt be saying im here for the culture!!!
PPLLLEEEAAASSEEE!!!!


Most sensible thing I've heard.

Seriously, how many "tourists," I mean the real McCoy, backpackers, tourists in groups and the like have you ever seen hanging around Korea.
In Ulsan- None. A place that the local council described as having "...beaches that rival any in South-East Asia." Sure. S.E Asian beaches are effluent dumps.

You meet in Korea. Teachers, military, people with jobs in the city, engineers (here in Ulsan anyhow,) DD workers and that's about it.

Common thread. Money.
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