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The easiest and hardest word for a korean student to say
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ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:39 am    Post subject: The easiest and hardest word for a korean student to say Reply with quote

Today I was teaching in my hagwan. One girl kept acting up and causing a fracas as I am trying to give out directions as to what we were going to do -- you know -- the old "mockingly repeating of what you are saying" and so forth. I ask her to "please stop" and she says "prease schtap", then I say "<girl's name>, if you don't stop, I am going to give you a time out outside", and she says "<her name> blah blah blah blah". So I asked her to leave:

Now, the easiest word for a Korean student to say is "no"..as it was the first thing she said that wasn't in a mocking repeating tone. She could say it very well. She said it four times as I motioned to the door. Then I walked to the door and opened it. She said no again. I walked to her chair and took it out to the hall. She still says no...in fact, by this time, she was making a jingle out of the word no. No no noo noooo no nooo noo. I finally walk over to her and grab her wrist:

and the hardest thing for a korean student to say is "sorry", because as soon as I touched her wrist, she said it, and then after she said it, I was willing to forgive all. but thats when she broke down and cried and cried and cried....for the whole period....loudly....with wails getting louder as I tried to continue the class. I noticed that as soon as the bell went to end the class she stopped crying rather quickly, and, on lifting her face, it was totally dry. I expected I'd need a mop and bucket to clean up the tear puddle.

So, has anyone else experienced this?
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids like to test people. I have a 2-year-old nephew who has been faking crying since before he could walk (really). He starts crying and looking up at you at the same time. If he sees you're not buying it, he'll stop, and sometimes even giggle. They do that to see what they can get out of you.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: I thought this was about linguistics... Reply with quote

Wow, those are some serious attention-getting tactics.
I've never had someone so "anti" in a classroom, but I wonder how long you could ignore her before she would give up. No looking at her, no acknowledgement at all. Just keep the class interested and busy in something else. I would probably try paying special attention to anyone but her, including giving everyone else candy.

The hardest words to teach a Korean to say properly, in my experience, are "all" (arr) and "grin" (green). The easiest word? I was thinking about that yesterday. How about "young"?
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try gettting them to say "ruler".
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The easiest and hardest word for a korean student to say Reply with quote

ThePoet wrote:


and the hardest thing for a korean student to say is "sorry", because as soon as I touched her wrist, she said it, and then after she said it, I was willing to forgive all.


This would be a big mistake. It teaches the kid they can do anything they want, and suffer no consequences as long as they say "Sorry!" It's just setting you and the kid up for big problems later on.

Forgive AFTER you've punished appropriately for the offense.
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a moron teacher. I won't try to climb up the walls anymore.
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ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: I thought this was about linguistics... Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
Wow, those are some serious attention-getting tactics.
I've never had someone so "anti" in a classroom, but I wonder how long you could ignore her before she would give up. No looking at her, no acknowledgement at all. Just keep the class interested and busy in something else. I would probably try paying special attention to anyone but her, including giving everyone else candy.


Yes, thats what I did...I continued the lesson as usual, never acknowledging her at all. It was hard to stop her friends from trying to console her in-between their reading opportunities.

Son Deureo! wrote:
ThePoet wrote: and the hardest thing for a korean student to say is "sorry", because as soon as I touched her wrist, she said it, and then after she said it, I was willing to forgive all.


This would be a big mistake. It teaches the kid they can do anything they want, and suffer no consequences as long as they say "Sorry!" It's just setting you and the kid up for big problems later on.


Sorry is a form of acknowledging a mistake and repentance. It doesn't allow someone to do anything they want, it teaches responsibility for actions. In fact, even judges will lessen a sentence if the convicted person says sorry and appears to be truly humbled by their mistakes. Working with a child is no different. They need to know that recognizing and taking responsibility for their mistakes is appreciated if not rewarded.

Poet
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baldrick



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had fun with 'quickly' the other day.
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dull artist



Joined: 20 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Try gettting them to say "ruler".


Yeah, that's a tough one. Although, I think that gave me an idea to name my first born child "Looler".
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: say venus Reply with quote

Have them say " VENUS "
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try and get them to say Woody, the name of the character from Toy Story. The easiest word for Koreans is hello. They are all happy to say it 20 times to anyone. Smile
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nev



Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Try gettting them to say "ruler".


Earlier today that song by Elton John (I think) came on the radio, "Sorry is the hardest word to say." One of the Korean teachers started singing it, and as he sang the main line I interjected with something similar to what Peppermint said above. The Korean teacher looked nonplussed, which is why I feel compelled to share my moment of minor wit here.
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Warfield



Joined: 21 Nov 2003
Location: Asan, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always enjoyed the sentence

"She sits on her front porch every morning."
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dull artist wrote:
peppermint wrote:
Try gettting them to say "ruler".


Yeah, that's a tough one. Although, I think that gave me an idea to name my first born child "Looler".


Ruler is close to the hardest. I've had classes go nuts trying to say "rural".

"Wulal"..."Wulal".....ad infinitum
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be easy but I find my kids get so lazy when saying "fish", "lunch", "orange". Fisheee! Luncheee! Orangeeee! I've taken to bellowing out in pain when they go FOBish on me.
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