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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: TOEIC and Similar Exams Are Important, Right? |
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TOEIC and Similar Exams Are Important, Right?
TOEIC exam questions distributed before administration date
Mr. Nam was able to buy the question booklets before the exams were administered.
JoongAng Ilbo (October 8, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200410/08/200410082234514909900090409041.html |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, there are num amounts of empirical essays that take shots at the reliability and validity of the TOEIC and TOEFL.....this case is but a drop.
!Shoosh
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Samsung Group will expand its battery of English language tests for potential employees to all affiliated companies from this year. The company said it found that there was a low correlation between TOEIC scores and English speaking abilities.
article written by Choi Hong-sup. DIGITAL CHOSUN (April 11, 2004).
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200404/200404110004.html |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| TOEIC is a bad test. TOEFL isn't too bad...if they get copies of the questions, the fact that it's on computer means that the test taker can't anticipate which question they'll get. It's scaled by difficulty and contains more questions than the test taker actually sees. |
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:29 am Post subject: |
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TOEIC sucks big time. It was a test developed by ELS or some mob for the Japanese back in the seventies. It is related to business English and has almost no useful purpose for a student, save to take lots of money from them. Koreans should wake a up to this fact and find a test that has a greater relevance to actual language accquisition.  |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:54 am Post subject: |
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It's frustrating when hogwan's decide that they need to prepare sixth graders for the TOEIC. Your average sixth grader doesn't know a lot of that vocabulary in Korean, never mind in English.  |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| It's frustrating when hogwan's decide that they need to prepare sixth graders for the TOEIC. Your average sixth grader doesn't know a lot of that vocabulary in Korean, never mind in English. |
mmm...I'm not quite sure you have it right...but I'm somewhat of a newbie so feel free to correct me.
Grade 6's not only write the TOEIC Bridge exams but in a lot of cases a hogwans fate rests in the student results. Parents move their children to hogwans that have students that have good results on on Bridge exam.
(heaven forbid they realize their son is lazy and thick as a stick.)
By the way, I'm not defending TOEIC. I think in some ways it is a HUGE waste. The kids that have good results (IME) rarely are able to translate that into speaking ability. On the other hand at least TOEIC (at least for now) gives them a leg up and is a measurable outcome for parents.
How do they know if the money they are throwing at the hogwan has any value? At least with TOEIC it is tangible. The english industry/education industry is milking the Korean people. They should raise a stink and clean up the public schools. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nop.e I had a couple of cases where the hogwan was pushing the kids to be able to take the actualy TOEIC in middle school. They really were being forced to memorize pages and pages of the business vocab that they didn't understand.
That would be the school I don't work for anymore.  |
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