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Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now?
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:50 am    Post subject: Why are jobs so hard to come by for male teachers now? Reply with quote

I've been looking for jobs for at least 3 months and right now seems to be the slowest I've seen for job offers. I've been looking for a position in Seoul but its damn near impossible to find anything decent. Most all the positions I've seen lately are either looking for Education majors, someone who has experience or certifications, female, gyopo or Canadian. The positions that are still open for newB's have either crappy working hours (9am-7pm M-F, one saturday/month), low pay (~1.8 or 1.9) or only offer a one way ticket to Korea. I keep getting recruiters trying to place me in Daegu or cities other than Seoul. This recruiter last nite said the economy in Korea is pretty bad right now so parents cant afford to send their kids to hagwons and thus teachers are having a hard time finding jobs since a lot of the hogwans are closing down. She could be BS'ing me though just to get me to go to Daegu. Can someone tell me what really is going on over in Korea? Why are hagwons being so picky of late on who they hire?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The economy is pretty bad here. and has been for the past year or so and that's definitely affecting the job market.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, you might wanna consider somewhere other than Seoul.


I live in a "small" city of 150,000 and frankly, it's too big for me. But to each his own. There are worse things than not being in Seoul... Korea's got alot to offer in many places.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
Korea's got alot to offer in many places.


No it doesn't.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, you are a Chinese-American, aren't you? (This does matter) Although you speak Korean, hang out in K-Town in LA, 90% of your friends are Korean, have a 3.8GPA...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=26475&highlight=

Next, you want 2.1 because you are gook looking, and your recruiter has a crush on you, you haven't recieved your degree yet, so you post a question about "other people" teaching without a degree, you want to see pics of the apartment before you come....

Now, you say 1.9 is bad pay, Mon-Fri 9AM to 7PM is unacceptable, you don't want to be in Seoul, you want both ways of the plane ticket paid....

You're right. There are no jobs for you here.

Sorry man, but you demand too much for a guy who has no experience, no TESL, no degree yet and are an Asian-American.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:42 pm    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

Easy there Demophobe!

Customx take your time and pick a good job. It might be better if you could afford to come over and interview in person.

If not be patient and negotiate.

List your demands to a recruiter.

Set hours 2-8 Monday to Friday

Salary dont settle for anything less than 2.0

Return airfare is standard.

The economy may be taking a bit of a beating but there are still more hogwans out there than you can shake a stick at!

Good luck
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CustomX



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lower your expectations just a little, be open to the suburbs of Seoul, say, instead of just Seoul. As well, don't be afraid to apply for the jobs that are looking for females etc. At my current job, they said they wanted a male teacher, but they ended up hiring me.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
First, you are a Chinese-American, aren't you? (This does matter) Although you speak Korean, hang out in K-Town in LA, 90% of your friends are Korean, have a 3.8GPA...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=26475&highlight=

Next, you want 2.1 because you are gook looking, and your recruiter has a crush on you, you haven't recieved your degree yet, so you post a question about "other people" teaching without a degree, you want to see pics of the apartment before you come....

Now, you say 1.9 is bad pay, Mon-Fri 9AM to 7PM is unacceptable, you don't want to be in Seoul, you want both ways of the plane ticket paid....

You're right. There are no jobs for you here.

Sorry man, but you demand too much for a guy who has no experience, no TESL, no degree yet and are an Asian-American.


Oh yeah, this guy. I guess his awesome looks and his brilliant future career as an F18 pilot haven't helped him tease out that great job. All I can tell this cracker is my non-Asian American friend got a job within weeks and because he knew Korean got 2.1 no probs.

Cracker's problem might not be the economy. It might be even hagwon owners can suss out a future problem. Perhaps he exudes arrogance without substance. If his behavior here is any evidence, anyone questioning his intent or qualifications is suddenly deluged with a listing of great accomplishments. Uh huh.

As I told this cracker before, there are a lot of people wanting ESL jobs in Seoul and it's pretty easy for an employer to simply go "next". Cracker might want to consider he's giving off a lot of warning signs that the seasoned Seoul-based schools read easy.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, if you want to stay out of Daegu or the rest of Korea, suits me. Just leaves more jobs for the rest of us. Laughing
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: jobs are hard to find right now Reply with quote

If you really look at the jobs posted, yes, there are less then there were. I have not noticed a shortage of jobs for males. Just think about what u want. 1.9 is pretty standard now. I don't know anything about you, I just know that even when they request an american or canadian, you still should apply. Being out of Seoul is fine. SOme placea sre one hr away. As I have mentioned, I am making 1.9 and I live by the sea. It is all a trade off. I would rather live by the sea then make 2.1 in Seoul. I hate Seoul. But to each his/her own. I love my job. But, no more aout me.
Have you posted your resume, or are you just answering ads? Of corse you should not work ccrazy hours like 10 till 8, or 9 till 7, but working 10 to 6 is really not bad if yo