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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: I want to go to AN university in..... |
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Question.
Why is it - I want to go to a university in England
but not - I want to go to an university in England?
Surely, because university begins with a vowel, it should be 'an', but it isn't. Why not? |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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because the "u" in university is pronounced "yoo". If it were pronounced "uh", you would be correct in saying "an uhniversity".
Just like hour. It starts with a consenant, but the sound the h makes is a vowel sound, so you use "an".
It doesn't matter what letter a word starts with, it's the sound the letter makes.
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tommynomad

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Location: on the move
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Except for "hotel," which takes either "a" or "an."
My students are stupefied by English's rule exceptions. |
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mishlert

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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My creative writing teacher in college told us that the rules for the English language are very specific but not set in stone. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Location: North Shore NZ
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Except for "hotel," which takes either "a" or "an." |
Depends on your regional dialect. If perchance, you happen to be from parts of England where you drop the h and say "otel", then an is perfectly acceptable, however generally we say "a hotel" as the h is not silent. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: yes |
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It's simple. It's not 1st letter of the word. It's 1st sound. |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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mishlert wrote: |
My creative writing teacher in college told us that the rules for the English language are very specific but not set in stone. |
I taught a girl who would deliberately break the rules.
Me: Why did you spell it "midnite"?! You know that's wrong!
Her: Teacher! There's nothing romantic about good spelling!  |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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manlyboy wrote: |
I taught a girl who would deliberately break the rules.
Me: Why did you spell it "midnite"?! You know that's wrong!
Her: Teacher! There's nothing romantic about good spelling!  |
Very indeed!! |
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tommynomad

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Location: on the move
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:34 am Post subject: |
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fidel wrote: |
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Except for "hotel," which takes either "a" or "an." |
Depends on your regional dialect. If perchance, you happen to be from parts of England where you drop the h and say "otel", then an is perfectly acceptable, however generally we say "a hotel" as the h is not silent. |
I'm not so sure it's regional. I've encountered "an hotel" many times where the "h" is spoken, by native speakers, in Canada and in Europe. And don't get me started on how often it appears in print. |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:58 am Post subject: |
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It's an historic occasion -- Sounds a bit better with 'an' than 'a' to me
They stayed in an hotel -- What an horrible expression, sounds pretentious |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: yes |
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Koreans are bad for purposely writing/typing incorrectly, and I have picked up the habits.
Thye substitute the vowel �� for �� a lot, and contract a lot of words. That's just for starters. |
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JaphieR
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Location: Bundang
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:51 am Post subject: |
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my students would get a severe beating with the ���ʸ� if they ever put an before hotel. Just kidding. Only my canadian coworker uses the one of those (I got it for her as a joke but she actually uses it now). I just send them out to the head teacher where they get hit over the head with a work book.
But really, I've never heard of "an hotel." where are you from? |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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"An hotel" is invariably used by the upper middle-classes usually from the south of England.
To me, even as one taught to speak that way, it has always sounded awkward and even contrived as if it were used by the speaker to impress the listener with his superior speech. I prefer the basic rule: an before a vowel - the first sound rule as somebody has said.
I almost blush when I am in the circles that expect me to use it ..... |
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