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Koreans and japanese: same, same?

 
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:29 am    Post subject: Koreans and japanese: same, same? Reply with quote

Does the following remind anyone of another country?

"The Japanese, if forced to rely on their own judgement away from their normal group directed environment, will probably be more at a loss than people accustomed to greater individual freedom on action."

"the competitive, adventurous Japanese of the sixteenth century became, by the nineteenth century a docile people depending mainly on their rulers for leadership and following all orders from above with few questions."

"honorific words developed in abundance because everyone had to deal cautiously with superiors and cut his way through a rank conscious jungle."

"the best defensive skill of the inferior was to "hold the tongue". But in order to communicate his will or intention he had to express himself some how, so he spoke in vague words."

taken from 'management and society, lessons from contemporary japan'
mitsuyaki masatsugu

It seems some koreans are at pains to point out how different the japanese are to themselves but reading this book, i felt almost every case applied to korean society.


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ThePoet



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course...the people that mostly inhabit the Japan islands are all descended from Korean expansion a bunch of centuries ago. Which is why its so funny that the Japanese and Koreans hate each other so much. There was a common bloodline at one point. So it should be no surprise.

The real indiginous Japanese were descended from Siberians and are almost all gone and living on Japanese equivalents of reservations. They were called the Ainu.

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shakuhachi



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThePoet wrote:
Of course...the people that mostly inhabit the Japan islands are all descended from Korean expansion a bunch of centuries ago. Which is why its so funny that the Japanese and Koreans hate each other so much. There was a common bloodline at one point. So it should be no surprise.

The real indiginous Japanese were descended from Siberians and are almost all gone and living on Japanese equivalents of reservations. They were called the Ainu.

Poet


DNA analysis shows that Japanese to not have any closer a genetic relationship to the Koreans than any other East Asian people,
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ThePoet



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, considering the facial, color, and body characteristics of most asian groups...I am sure there was a common bloodline of all asians at one point or another...that doesn't make the information any less valid.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DNA doesn't matter as much as the length of time spent in cohabitation.

Plus, people from Hokkaido and other places would probably skew the study. If you were to look at people from �餸[ and compare them to Japanese from Kyushu there would be a genetic similarity.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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shakuhachi



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
DNA doesn't matter as much as the length of time spent in cohabitation.

Plus, people from Hokkaido and other places would probably skew the study. If you were to look at people from �餸[ and compare them to Japanese from Kyushu there would be a genetic similarity.


You sound rather certain considering that since there are no people from pekche to test to prove your conjecture.
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the saint



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one with any lenghty experience in both countries would suggest the Japanese and Koreans are the same.

I spent 6 years in the former and have been here nearly a year. I am constantly blown away by how different the Koreans and Japanese are. This was further heightened last weekend when two of my Japanese friends spent four days with us and we took them out in Seoul.

They might look similar in a thesis but in reality these two nationalities are poles apart.

I'm not going into which I prefer here. Let's just say that the thought of staying a similar length of time in Korea fills me with... well... Shocked
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This page (Japanese) talks about their genetic similarities, and how Japanese really aren't all that genetically homogenous.


http://www.han.org/a/half-moon/hm073.html#No.486
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