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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: Free Flights for flying with Orphans |
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Hi again,
There was a post a few months back that was about an airline offering free flights to North America if you travel with a Korean child that is being adopted and needs delivery. I tried to find it via the search option but had no luck. Does anyone know anything about this program and how to get involved? Also, has anyone out there done it that might have some advice for me? I could totally use a free flight home and love flying with kids I don't know 
Thanks for your help,
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:53 am Post subject: |
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There are 3 mobs that do it. One is Holt, another is the Eastern Childrens Welfare something or other, and there is one more. Holt apparently arranges for babies to be delivered to Paris, Stockholm, Luxembourg and Denmark. They all require couriers too. Might have to get in quick for those though, because the Koreans would be lining up. With the new visa restrictions on Koreans for entry into the U.S there will probably be an even greater demand for baby couriers.
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Drakoi wrote: |
| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
Considering the life the orphans are getting away from, yes, you're right it is truely wonderful they are given the opportunity to live with a family that wants and will love them. Better than the stigmatised life of growing up familyless in Korea
I've heard of free flights, but just through word of mouth, nothing official.
What I heard was that a lot of US couple adopting Korean babies chose to collect the baby at the airport in the US, rather than fly to Korea, and that yeah free flights are given to peope who agree to mind the baby during the flight
This agency arranges lots of adoptions in the US,
Try contacting them their office is near Hongik University / Sinchon
http://www.eastern.or.kr/eng/htm/e_esws1.htm |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Honeybee wrote: |
| Drakoi wrote: |
| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
Considering the life the orphans are getting away from, yes, you're right it is truely wonderful they are given the opportunity to live with a family that wants and will love them. Better than the stigmatised life of growing up familyless in Korea
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What a load of bull. Most of these 'orphans' have parents. The only thing that determines which way the babies are sold is who's got the money. Rich people think they can buy babies, and they're not often wrong.
What korea needs is an improved social welfare system and continued development of women's lib. There's no need to sell babies. There's no need for Holt or other babysnatching agents to come in and create motivation for poor mothers to sign away their kids.
Thankfully Korea's economy is getting better. In places like Thailand and Vietnam, many women become baby factories because it's the best way for them to earn a lot of money.
Slave trading is still slave trading even if you treat your slaves well. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Drakoi wrote: |
| Honeybee wrote: |
| Drakoi wrote: |
| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
Considering the life the orphans are getting away from, yes, you're right it is truely wonderful they are given the opportunity to live with a family that wants and will love them. Better than the stigmatised life of growing up familyless in Korea
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What a load of bull. Most of these 'orphans' have parents. The only thing that determines which way the babies are sold is who's got the money. Rich people think they can buy babies, and they're not often wrong.
What korea needs is an improved social welfare system and continued development of women's lib. There's no need to sell babies. There's no need for Holt or other babysnatching agents to come in and create motivation for poor mothers to sign away their kids.
Thankfully Korea's economy is getting better. In places like Thailand and Vietnam, many women become baby factories because it's the best way for them to earn a lot of money.
Slave trading is still slave trading even if you treat your slaves well. |
Are you willing to register at those boards (Holt) and say the same thing to the people who are regular users there and plan to adopt?
Here's the link again:
http://www.holtintl.org/forums |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:36 am Post subject: |
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What irresponsible and awful posts.
I know several former Holt-babies back home. One of them is an ex-gf who was abandoned at an orphanage by her parents at age 6, along with her two brothers. |
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peppergirl
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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Have you ever visited an orphanage here? There are so many kids, babies, that can never be adopted abroad because the Korean government is restricting the number of babies they 'export' to other countries. But there are very few Korean couples willing to adopt them, so they just get stuck in Korean orphanages all their lives. And they get an occasional visit from the likes of me to play with them for a few hours on a Saturday 
Between my last two visits, at least 7 new babies had arrived at that one orphanage  , and the chance for them having a normal family life in Korea is very very low. The lady there told me that before the Seoul Olympics, some babies got adopted abroad, but since then none from that orphanage. The people there really do their best to take care of them and the babies, kids see them as 'omma', but 1 omma per 8-10 kids just isn't enough, is it? |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
| Drakoi wrote: |
| Honeybee wrote: |
| Drakoi wrote: |
| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
Considering the life the orphans are getting away from, yes, you're right it is truely wonderful they are given the opportunity to live with a family that wants and will love them. Better than the stigmatised life of growing up familyless in Korea
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What a load of bull. Most of these 'orphans' have parents. The only thing that determines which way the babies are sold is who's got the money. Rich people think they can buy babies, and they're not often wrong.
What korea needs is an improved social welfare system and continued development of women's lib. There's no need to sell babies. There's no need for Holt or other babysnatching agents to come in and create motivation for poor mothers to sign away their kids.
Thankfully Korea's economy is getting better. In places like Thailand and Vietnam, many women become baby factories because it's the best way for them to earn a lot of money.
Slave trading is still slave trading even if you treat your slaves well. |
Are you willing to register at those boards (Holt) and say the same thing to the people who are regular users there and plan to adopt?
Here's the link again:
http://www.holtintl.org/forums |
That seems almost as futile as trying to explain to foreigners in korea how stupid and ignorant they are as they try to call other people stupid and ignorant. SOUNDS LIKE FUN!
You mean I can tell them they should look at the retarded/crack addict/handicapped/caucasian (or otherwise 'undesirable') babies in their own countries instead of fulfilling some sexual fetish or misguided desire to do 'god's work' by converting a 'heathen'?
two words, suh-weet!
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| Gollum wrote: |
What irresponsible and awful posts.
I know several former Holt-babies back home. One of them is an ex-gf who was abandoned at an orphanage by her parents at age 6, along with her two brothers. |
I guarantee you I've met more Holt babies than you, and you've not got the full story. Why were they abandoned? Would they have been abandoned if social perceptions were different or if there were no ready made way to get them to a richer country?
There's a TV show here in Korea that shows reunions, often of adoptees. And in the majority of those stories the parents loved their children very much, but it was the economic reasons that led to the sacrifice of separation.
Holt is nothing but a predator of economic misfortune. |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| peppergirl wrote: |
Have you ever visited an orphanage here? There are so many kids, babies, that can never be adopted abroad because the Korean government is restricting the number of babies they 'export' to other countries. But there are very few Korean couples willing to adopt them, so they just get stuck in Korean orphanages all their lives. And they get an occasional visit from the likes of me to play with them for a few hours on a Saturday
Between my last two visits, at least 7 new babies had arrived at that one orphanage , and the chance for them having a normal family life in Korea is very very low. The lady there told me that before the Seoul Olympics, some babies got adopted abroad, but since then none from that orphanage. The people there really do their best to take care of them and the babies, kids see them as 'omma', but 1 omma per 8-10 kids just isn't enough, is it? |
Several times, and I cry everytime I go. There are serious social problems in this country that need to be addressed. But the answer is not giving cradle-robbing foreigners free plane rides.
Korea needs to be made economically stronger, and progressive views about community, heredity, and geneology need to be spread. There is a great need for foster parents and philanthropy. And there is a need to abolish the baby market.
Switzerland I know, and many other countries don't allow any of their babies to be exported. I don't hear you crying about that? Then again switzerland has a much stronger social welfare program...coincidence? |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Do you have a problem with adopting in general, or it it just interracial adoption you object to? |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Drakoi wrote: |
| wonderful, The baby selling industry is alive and well. |
wow, thanks for implying that i was a boughten good. 
yeah, if the social perceptions and stigmas on adoption were different here, maybe fewer babies would placed up for adoption.......but they aren't any different now...so to imply that my parents were "fulfilling some sexual fetish or misguided desire to do 'god's work' by converting a 'heathen'"...thanks...your way with words astounds me. |
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Honeybee
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| .so to imply that my parents were "fulfilling some sexual fetish or misguided desire to do 'god's work' by converting a 'heathen'"...thanks...your way with words astounds me. |
The guy clearly has some very very warped ideas on adoption,
He also described it as a form of slavery.... He's either joking or he's a complete headcase. |
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