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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Upgrading my comp question.... Reply with quote

I think I have to upgrade my P4 2.4 (XP pro Eng) as I'm about to enter the scary world of video capturing and editing.

Question: I've got 256mb of RAM in one of four slots. I want to upgrade to 1024mb. So three more slots are free. Can I just buy 3 more strips of 256mb? Can I buy any kind of RAM or should the new RAM match my original 256mb?

Question: I'll need to use a card which has a firewire port. Are these easy to buy and install? How much should I pay for a basic one?

Question: If I buy a DVD burner can I just take out my existing CD-rom and plug in the cables into the back of the DVD burner just as they were for the old CD-rom?

Thanks for any tips.
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

macs are supposed to be great for video editing.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading my comp question.... Reply with quote

eamo wrote:

Question: I've got 256mb of RAM in one of four slots. I want to upgrade to 1024mb. So three more slots are free. Can I just buy 3 more strips of 256mb? Can I buy any kind of RAM or should the new RAM match my original 256mb?

You should match the RAM probably it is DDRAM

eamo wrote:
Question: I'll need to use a card which has a firewire port. Are these easy to buy and install? How much should I pay for a basic one?
They should be very easy, if you are not sure you could just bring your machine to the shop and they'll do it for you.

eamo wrote:
Question: If I buy a DVD burner can I just take out my existing CD-rom and plug in the cables into the back of the DVD burner just as they were for the old CD-rom?

Yes
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrading my comp question.... Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I think I have to upgrade my P4 2.4 (XP pro Eng) as I'm about to enter the scary world of video capturing and editing.

Question: I've got 256mb of RAM in one of four slots. I want to upgrade to 1024mb. So three more slots are free. Can I just buy 3 more strips of 256mb? Can I buy any kind of RAM or should the new RAM match my original 256mb?

Question: I'll need to use a card which has a firewire port. Are these easy to buy and install? How much should I pay for a basic one?

Question: If I buy a DVD burner can I just take out my existing CD-rom and plug in the cables into the back of the DVD burner just as they were for the old CD-rom?

Thanks for any tips.


YOu must match the RAM to eliminate incompatibiliy issues. However, if you buy 3 more sticks of 256MB, that's it. No more RAM can fit without dumping at least 2 of them to make room for more. RAM is cheap right now, so you may want to get 2 512MB sticks and just dump the one you have. This will leave room for more later and with 2 sticks instead of 4, you will get a lower latency and further eliminate any RAM issues the mainboard may have. You want to stay dual-channel (2 sticks), but 2 larger sticks are better than 4 smaller. Marginally, of course, but IMHO, better. Many sets of 512MB sticks are bundled together, so they are beautifully compatible.

Also, be aware that for video editing, RAM timings are going to be a factor. Cheap RAM has say, 3-8-8-4 timings, which is high-latency, or slow; doesn't matter if it's PC4200, it's slow PC4200. Higher-priced, better quality RAM will make a difference, so you would be wise to get some good Crucial, Mushkin or Kingston RAM and don't be shy about paying a bit more for it. Good RAM may have 2-4-4-6 timings or better ( Shocked ), and this is ideal for what you want.

Buying a firewire card is about 7~10,000 won...very cheap and they just plug into a free PCI slot in your mainboard. This won't include any software, so you will have to use MS moviemaker (free with WinXP) or figure out a different software option. There are many good programs out there, but they aren't cheap, making the MS movie maker an attractive option. The firewire card will be detected automatically and will be supported by Windows....you won't need any drivers. Just plug it in and fire it up. Try to use a PCI slot 1 floor down from your video card, not snug up to it.

Be careful when working inside the case for any shocks etc... even a small static shock can cause damage. Always unplug the power and push the power button to release any 'stored' power inside the system. Ground yourself na d never force anything. It should all just slide in easily.

Buying a mac just for video editing would be nice if you were rich, but that's one expensive movie you will be making. Don't think about pitching your system and buying a MAC....I know you weren't, but I'm just salting the MAC people here. Razz

The CDROM question is easy...just unplug and re-plug the new one, although you may want to keep the existing CDROM you have in the machine, and ADD the burner. This isn't hard to do as well. If you choose to do this, post back and I will give you some instructions if you need it. Why would you want to keep the drive you have? Wear and tear. I only use a burner for burning. I have a DVD burner and a combo CD-r/rw and it reads DVDs. This means that my DVD drive is ONLY used for burning DVDs. Nothing else. Saves wear and tear on a drive that costs twice as much as the combo.

What kind of video card and mainboard do you have? Make and model of both...
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

I'll get back to you Demophobe about makes and models. I'm going to open my computer up tonight to see what kind of RAM is in there.

The wear and tear thing won't be an issue as I already have a DVD-rom/CD burner installed. It's only the old, basic CD-rom I'll be taking out.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool.

I shouldn't have made such a deal about RAM timings....they don't matter THAT much. Don't get as retentive as me, for pete's sake! Laughing

Good cheaper brands include Kingmax and Geil....just stay away from Samsung.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do some heavy-duty video editing. I was a TV commercial producer/editor in the USA for 8 years.

Currently I am making a high school TV Newscast out of news stories that 3 of my classes are writing. All of it is in English. I'll post a link when it's all done (should be done in a month or less).

I've been producing the animations and tweaking a virtual-reality set to match our logos using Photoshop, Premiere 6.5, and Adobe After Effects. I spent 5 hours placing "fake" live video into the virtual-reality TV set behind the news anchors. Tedious work.

Currently my system is a Pentium 2.4B with 512 of Ram. I can't stress how important it is to have a Hard Drive that is 7200RPM. That is VERY important. Most drives are these days, but make sure yours is, or you will suffer a lot of frame drops. As for my machine, I will upgrade the Ram soon when I get around to it.

If you have any questions about video editing, streaming videos, etc., give me a shout.

You can see some of my korea videos (many are just rough footage though) at www.seoulstream.com
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen your streaming video already Derrek. Very good.

I'll be using the XP movie-maker at first as I heard it's pretty simple.

I was thinking of buying a new hard-drive to go alongside my existing 80gig drive as it's almost always full of movies and music.

What should I pay for a 120-160gig HDD 7200rpm?
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of prices I saw on www.enuri.com:

Maxtor 200gig 7200RPM with an 8 Meg buffer for about 156,000 or so.

Samsung 120gig 7200RPM with an 8 Meg buffer for about 105,000.

I'd get one with an 8 Meg buffer if you can. Not sure it makes much difference over a 2Meg buffer, but I'd think it would have to help with frame errors. I rarely get them now with mine (80meg Maxtor 7200RPM with 8 Meg buffer), and usually only do when capturing segments several minutes long. That's probably due to another program running in the background that kicks in if I forget to turn something off.
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klaasb



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the money, buy more RAM.
2Gb shouldn't be that expensive right now (4x512)

A movie capture card doesn't have to be expensive either, and it will give you the benefit of being able to hook up your old vcr. And usually they throw in a copy of Adobe Premiere or something like that (not new, but one version older than the current one).
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

klaasb wrote:
If you have the money, buy more RAM.
2Gb shouldn't be that expensive right now (4x512)

A movie capture card doesn't have to be expensive either, and it will give you the benefit of being able to hook up your old vcr. And usually they throw in a copy of Adobe Premiere or something like that (not new, but one version older than the current one).



2GB is overkill. Capture card is an option, but noy one I would take. It does have the RCA line outs, but my personal experience with capture cards is that they aren't really worth the trouble. Then again, I have the original video to line out to the VCR if I want, or make a DVD, or line out the S-video from my video card. Many video cards do have the S-video out feature.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
klaasb wrote:
If you have the money, buy more RAM.
2Gb shouldn't be that expensive right now (4x512)

A movie capture card doesn't have to be expensive either, and it will give you the benefit of being able to hook up your old vcr. And usually they throw in a copy of Adobe Premiere or something like that (not new, but one version older than the current one).



2GB is overkill. Capture card is an option, but noy one I would take. It does have the RCA line outs, but my personal experience with capture cards is that they aren't really worth the trouble. Then again, I have the original video to line out to the VCR if I want, or make a DVD, or line out the S-video from my video card. Many video cards do have the S-video out feature.


Yeah. My video card has the s-video line out. What can you do with that?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay. The upgrade's been done.

I got 1024mb RAM at Technomart ( I actually hate shopping at Yongsan even though it's cheaper) for 206,000. It's Samsung. That's the only brand all the shops had. It's speed is 3200. I noticed immediately how much faster my PC is. Wow! The difference from 256mb is very noticeable.

I got an LG DVD burner for 130,000. 12X writer. Haven't had time to try it yet.

The Firewire card was 20,000. The cable 4000!!!! I couldn't believe that price. When I was home in Ireland during the summer I priced a firewire cable at 20 pounds! that's 40,000 won. 10 times!!! So, of course I bought it but when I got home and opened the box containing the Firewire card there was a cable in there!! So now I have 2 firewire cables Confused

Anybody want a firewire cable?

So far I've managed to capture the video and at the moment I'm in the process of burning. Strange though. The video captured by MS Movie-maker totalled 9 gig but the burning program sees it as 2.5 gig.

It's a steep learning curve at the moment.
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the saint



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody mentioned HDD speed - isn't this a factor when editing?

As for getting anything more than Movie Maker2 which is bundled with Win XP - I'd like to hear someone say why exactly. I've been using this software for over a year to produce some classy video. I did mess with other software but the learning curve was huge and I couldn't see what the other programs would give me which MM2 does not.

I'd honestly like to know... if anyone has experience of MM2 and other software they prefer.

Cheers
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JAMZ



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i personally dont have first hand experience but my cousin is quite the expert on this stuff and he's always told me to start off with adobe premiere
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