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New nepotism bill causing stress at my school

 
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:54 pm    Post subject: New nepotism bill causing stress at my school Reply with quote

There is bill up for debate in Korea which would change some of the prviledges for private schools, such as my private high school.

From what little I heard about the situation, the ruling party (Uri, I suppose they meant) wants to change the law to end Nepotism by those who own and operate private schools. So basically, schools like mine where it's family-run (Chairman is married to the Principal, and Vice-Principal is his sister) would have to change..

The administration has told our Korean teachers they expect them to show up for a rally against changing the law, but the teachers are angry because they agree that the law should be changed.

Personally, I agree the law should be changed, but I would hate to lose the VP, who is so kind to us foreigners. The Chairman and Principal treat us quite well too.

Now why doesn't the Uri party have the balls to require this at places like Samsung??? Hmmm...
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kangnamdragon



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Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should the law be changed? If it is a private school shouldn't the owner have the right to hire whom he or she wishes?
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Gollum



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But when a private institution is receiving government funding, as is the norm, THEN it becomes a whole different ballgame. My school receives well over 90% of its funding from the gov't.

That should answer your question.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused now. I understand that the public schools receive their funding from the gov't. That's why they are called public. And private universities are run for profit. So private schools get 90% of their funding from the gov't too?
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Gollum



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, our Korean English Dept. Head at our Private school said it's 99 percent, but I have a hard time believing it's THAT high... could be wrong, though.

Public and Private have different meanings here than back home. Private just means Privately-owned here, but they still are funded by the government from what I understand.

Also, a Private school job is considered less desirable for Korean teachers because Public school employees can't be easily removed. The people who get better grades in college and/or pass a special test can get the public jobs. You might think that means the better teachers go to the public schools then, but that's not totally true. Some of the Public school teachers know they can't get fired, and really slack off as teachers and become lazy (so I hear). The Private school teachers constantly have to prove themselves worthy to keep a job next year.

It all depends on the school.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is owned by Samsung, they brought it about 11 years ago from the previous owner as he had run the school into bankruptcy. As it happened the founder of Samsung was a graduate and his family when approached felt some obligation to help it out.

From what I understand, Samsung is willing to pay for the entire school budget, ungrade the facilities and operate as a 'private' school in the full sense of the word, however the Education Ministry continues to block all attempts. Apparently out of some misguided ideas of social justice they don't want to see elite high schools emerge to cause further disparity in the Korean society. A pity, as Samsung has grandiose plans for the school, to turn it into a kind of feeding ground for it's future executives.

From what I understand, 'private' school positions in certain schools are far more desirable than their equivalent and teachers are very secure in their jobs. Once you get tenure you get it for life.
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Gollum



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no such thing as "tenure" at my private school.

There are a lot of people who have been there forever, but they work hard.

Especially the women.
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gollum wrote:
Actually, our Korean English Dept. Head at our Private school said it's 99 percent, but I have a hard time believing it's THAT high... could be wrong, though.

Public and Private have different meanings here than back home. Private just means Privately-owned here, but they still are funded by the government from what I understand.


Depends. A few years ago there was a big debate on private schools (K-12) not having enough funds to compete (educationally) with public schools. MOST private schools, I'd wager, do NOT receive national funds to keep afloat, instead they are supported solely by donations (from alumni, local businesses, et al.) The private schools that do quite well are those run (have financial backing) from large corporations. In my town there are two private high schools....one getting its dosh from donations, one run by Samsung. Neither receive (to the best of my knowledge) any monies from the Korean government, in any form. Knowing this, I am unsure of what standards a private school would fall under in order to get any help from the Korean government.


Gollum wrote:
Also, a Private school job is considered less desirable for Korean teachers because Public school employees can't be easily removed. The people who get better grades in college and/or pass a special test can get the public jobs.


No. As stated, it depends. I know of several 'tenured' teachers in the public schools vying for a position in the new Samsung school. Once a teacher gets their spot, they are rarely dismissed (probably due to the 'donation' of 20/40,000,000 won from the teacher).



Gollum wrote:
It all depends on the school.


True.




!Shoosh

Ryst
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
MOST private schools, I'd wager, do NOT receive national funds to keep afloat, instead they are supported solely by donations (from alumni, local businesses, et al.) The private schools that do quite well are those run (have financial backing) from large corporations. In my town there are two private high schools....one getting its dosh from donations, one run by Samsung


You would lose that wager. MOSt do receive government funding for the reasons I pointed out in my earlier post. Corporations don't actually run the schools, rather foundations do. All the teachers at my school are on tenured positions, HOWEVER the TUTOR teachers are all on one year contracts. Believe me their is a huge difference between the two. The Tutors are all qualified teachers but unless they get tenure they are generally replaced after 3 years (3 times 1 year contracts).
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Ryst Helmut



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
You would lose that wager.


Thank goodness I don't bet....unless you count riding a motorcycle in Korea.


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Ryst
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Len8



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Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that public school teachers have to relocate every 3 years too, and it's one of the reasons private schools can be attractive. Was in a private boys middle school for two years, and seem to remember the teachers who bought their way into the school as getting the cold shoulder from the other teachers.

OP said he wished that the government would do the same thing to Samsung that they are doing to private schools. No Moo Young is actually trying to break up the family dominance on the board of directors, and I've heard they are fighting him tooth and nail. He's a former social activist and anti rich. Samsung is majority owned by foreign shareholders, and they want foreigeners on the board, because they thing their share price on the stockmarket is way undervalued. Don't know if that would have any bad repurcussions, but might be a good warning to buy.
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