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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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 Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:39 pm Post subject: Canadian Citizenship for Baby and Korean Law of Blood |
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Anyone recently do the process for obtaining Canadian citizenship for your mixed Korean/Canadian baby?
The Canadian consular website says that the passport can't be obtained immediately if the parents are staying in Korea for a while. How can the baby travel? Are they attached to my passport?
The Korean Law of Blood thing is kind of stupid. I want all ties to Korea severed for my baby. No dual nationality etc. up to a certain age. I don't want any Korean bureaucratic laws affecting my child. I want them to be Canadian with no strings attached. I love Korea, but hate its bureaucracy and laws with a passion. |
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Hollywoodaction
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The baby will be issued a passport that is valid for a year (usually takes less than 2 weeks to receive it because it's issued by the embassy in Seoul (non-machine readable, though). It is renewal, so don't worry. The citizenship papers take at least 6 months to be processed.
PS. I found that if you want to get good information, don't go to the Canadian embassy in Seoul's website. Try the website of another Embassy,or the website of the passport office. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Citizenship for Baby and Korean Law of Blood |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
The Korean Law of Blood thing is kind of stupid. I want all ties to Korea severed for my baby. No dual nationality etc. up to a certain age. I don't want any Korean bureaucratic laws affecting my child. I want them to be Canadian with no strings attached. I love Korea, but hate its bureaucracy and laws with a passion. |
Gesh...and I thought I was the only one who felt this way! |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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First up because you are Canadian your child will be born a canadian.
You need to get a citizenship citizenship for you baby. The forms can be found here.here
My brother and sister are doing the same paperwork as our mom is canadian but they were born in New Zealand. However unlike Korea, the kiwis allow you to be a citizen of more than one country so they will retain both.
As for the specific severing ties to Korea thing I could be wrong but I think that the problems start occuring when a child is put on the family register, this is not so much of a big problem for girls but for the boys it will mean military service.
Anyway if I were you I would get in touch with a lawyer about the severing ties with Korea thing. The registering as a Canadian citizen thing is realitively easy to do. Just takes time, and paperwork. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| PS. I found that if you want to get good information, don't go to the Canadian embassy in Seoul's website. Try the website of another Embassy,or the website of the passport office. |
Alright.
I went to the Canadian Embassy in Seoul site, and just got confused.
It says:
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| If one parent is a Korean national and the family plans to reside in Korea for the time being, application for Canadian citizenship only may be made. |
I misread the "only". I see that the passport and citenship are done together, and that you have the option of not getting the passport. I thought that they meant I couldn't get one immediately unless I was going to Canada with my child. I'm kind of stupid on Sundays.
What I don't like is this:
http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/service_03_f.html
Of course I want the Korean citizship renounced immediately. Law of Blood? It being a Korean site, of course it doesn't make sense.
Further there are the official English translations of birth documents required. Where does one get these done?
It would be much easier if I could easily contact the embassy. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
Of course I want the Korean citizship renounced immediately. Law of Blood? It being a Korean site, of course it doesn't make sense.
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I think their translations aren't great. What you are doing is giving you're child citizenship by descent which is basically another less cruder word.
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Further there are the official English translations of birth documents required. Where does one get these done?
It would be much easier if I could easily contact the embassy. |
try here |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| phaedrus wrote: |
Of course I want the Korean citizship renounced immediately. Law of Blood? It being a Korean site, of course it doesn't make sense.
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I think their translations aren't great. What you are doing is giving you're child citizenship by descent which is basically another less cruder word.
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Further there are the official English translations of birth documents required. Where does one get these done?
It would be much easier if I could easily contact the embassy. |
try here |
Great. I've been contacting them merely about immigration issues lately, and I totally forgot that I can e-mail them other types of questions. You either have to visit or use regular mail for immigration questions.
I understand what the Law of Blood (Descent) is, but the problem is that I don't want automatic Korean citizenship for my kid. From the sounds of the website it seems automatic, and then I have to have my child renounce the Korean citizenship. I just want Canadian citizenship, which is easy to get for my child considering I'm Canadian. |
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Confused Canadian
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We've submitted citizenship papers for our son, and should have them in a few months. The process seemed daunting, but was actually quite simple. We have also registered him as a Korean citizen on his mother's family register. When we traveled this past summer, our son traveled on my wife's passport, yet another Canadian couple I know got a Canadian passport for their daughter, who was less than a year old. This other couple went to Canada, so it made sense for them to get a Canadian passport (though she was also registered on her mom's passport as a Korean), whereas my wife and I didn't travel to Canada, so we didn't see the point in wasting the money on a passport that's only good for a year.
However, another couple I know, who are American, "renounced Korea citizenship" for their daughter this summer by mistake. Their first son has both Korean and American citizenship, yet their second child does not have have Korean citizenship. How? Quite simple, actually. The parents made a simple mistake. They obtained an American passport for their daughter, but didn't add the daughter to her Korean mother's passport. At the airport, they were told they needed both an American AND a Korean passport for their daughter. They had to go to some immigration office at the airport, but in the end, their daughter left Korea as an American, and re-entered Korea as an American. Her parents now have to renew her Visa status (i.e. a dependant) every year. According to the Korean books, she is no longer a Korean citizen.
Bit of a long-winded story, and not sure if it helps you out.
Just out of curiosity, which particular "Korean bureaucratic laws" are you trying to protect your child from?
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:17 am Post subject: |
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a friend of a friend of mine is in the korean army.
he taught english on a kyopo visa for a year. when he left, he got detained at the airport and was forced into military service.
he was born in the US. his dad registered him on some roll as a korean, so he had to either serve or never come back to korea. which sucks for him because his dad lives in seoul now.
it seems stupid to me. |
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Cedar
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Citizenship for Baby and Korean Law of Blood |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
The Korean Law of Blood thing is kind of stupid. I want all ties to Korea severed for my baby. No dual nationality etc. up to a certain age. I don't want any Korean bureaucratic laws affecting my child. I want them to be Canadian with no strings attached. I love Korea, but hate its bureaucracy and laws with a passion. |
You hate Korean beaurocracy? Damn! You should try China! That's the number one reason I never want to live there again (but I may have to)! Even the post office is an ordeal! |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
I understand what the Law of Blood (Descent) is, but the problem is that I don't want automatic Korean citizenship for my kid. From the sounds of the website it seems automatic, and then I have to have my child renounce the Korean citizenship. I just want Canadian citizenship, which is easy to get for my child considering I'm Canadian. |
Well yeah if your born a country to mother who is of the same place then that pretty much means you're going to be a citizen of X country. But the thing is when your child is born it has automatically recieved citizenship of two countries - canada and korea. Now with the Canadian you have until 28 to say you want to stay in Canada and they don't care that you may have citizenship of another country.
Korean is also automatic and you have until 20 to decide whether you wish to stay exculsively korean. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Confused Canadian wrote: |
They obtained an American passport for their daughter, but didn't add the daughter to her Korean mother's passport. At the airport, they were told they needed both an American AND a Korean passport for their daughter. They had to go to some immigration office at the airport, but in the end, their daughter left Korea as an American, and re-entered Korea as an American. Her parents now have to renew her Visa status (i.e. a dependant) every year. According to the Korean books, she is no longer a Korean citizen.
Bit of a long-winded story, and not sure if it helps you out.
Just out of curiosity, which particular "Korean bureaucratic laws" are you trying to protect your child from?
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Yeah, I would like to renounce the Korean citizenship.
It's not laws I know, but laws I don't know. If they are dual citizens, they have the baggage of both countries in my mind. I don't understand Korean law well enough.
There's military service, and the inefficiency of Korean bureaucracy would probably nullify any attempts by me or my son to renounce the Korean citizenship when my son is twenty or so.
Unrelated and not a worry are laws such as Canada has now. In Canada any Canadian citizen that engages in pedophilia anywhere in the world can be prosecuted in Canada for the crime. I sure as hell don't know if Korea has any laws with the same scope but different purposes.
Then there are things such as my son being a Canadian teenager. Maybe he tokes up with his friends, comes to Korea for summer holiday, has his hair sampled, and is thrown into jail as a Korean instead of being deported.
I would feel more comfortable renouncing the Korean citizenship as soon as possible. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:34 am Post subject: |
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a friend of a friend of mine is in the korean army.
he taught english on a kyopo visa for a year. when he left, he got detained at the airport and was forced into military service.
he was born in the US. his dad registered him on some roll as a korean, so he had to either serve or never come back to korea. which sucks for him because his dad lives in seoul now.
it seems stupid to me. |
I've heard about this happening to other people. People are born in the USA and a father or even grand parent out of an act of Korean pride registers the kid. And then he goes on holiday to Korea and surprise. You're in the army now... |
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tommynomad
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
a friend of a friend of mine is in the korean army.
he taught english on a kyopo visa for a year. when he left, he got detained at the airport and was forced into military service.
he was born in the US. his dad registered him on some roll as a korean, so he had to either serve or never come back to korea. which sucks for him because his dad lives in seoul now.
it seems stupid to me. |
I've heard about this happening to other people. People are born in the USA and a father or even grand parent out of an act of Korean pride registers the kid. And then he goes on holiday to Korea and surprise. You're in the army now... |
Happened to me in the Netherlands. |
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mindmetoo
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
a friend of a friend of mine is in the korean army.
he taught english on a kyopo visa for a year. when he left, he got detained at the airport and was forced into military service.
he was born in the US. his dad registered him on some roll as a korean, so he had to either serve or never come back to korea. which sucks for him because his dad lives in seoul now.
it seems stupid to me. |
I've heard about this happening to other people. People are born in the USA and a father or even grand parent out of an act of Korean pride registers the kid. And then he goes on holiday to Korea and surprise. You're in the army now... |
Happened to me in the Netherlands. |
A friend and coworker ducked out of his national service in France. He moved to Florida to help run some family business concern there (a central part of the business seemed to involve the safe disposal of toxic waste from Florida gas stations and bending the definition of "safe" ... "Ah no one is ever actually going to investigate this part of the swamp..." "Road side sewers... who is to say they don't empty their effluence some place environmentally safe?") . He never thought he'd actually return to France (as I believe he was a pied noir or "black feet" born a French citizen in Algeria and didn't have a home or much family in France itself).
At some point he was taking a holiday in the Caribbean and landed at one of those islands that are still French colonies (probably Martinique). He produced his French passport and oh oh. They threw him into prison. A French island prison. It's so Papillon. He was scared out of his argyle socks. He was a rather preppy fellow. He was throw in a cell with these really, really rough guys who turned out to be French legionnaires in jail for some crime. I think they were fighting someone or another in the jungles of South America, in or around French Guiana. Those French, despite their reputation for being cheese eating surrender monkeys, really do jump into small bush wars in Africa and South America with guns blazing. After all, they're the only nation in the world to have ever bombed Green Peace. I think these guys were in jail for committing some atrocity involving a machete.
Anyway, they were not at first impressed with a draft dodger in their midst. But once they heard his story that he was more French citizen on paper than in real life they felt bad for him and kind of watched his bung hole for him.
I still thought it was kind of neat having a friend and coworker who had spent time in a French island prison. |
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