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saharzie · Joined: 22 Jan 2003

http://www.worknplay.co.kr/Blogs/default.aspx?bId=saharzie&pSn=391&pName=View&alertMessage=&pNo=1

no surprise really....

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

Is SNU Really Below the World's Top 100 Universities?

On Shanghai Jiao Tong University's list of the world's most famous 500 universities, SNU ranked within the 153-201 group. Yonsei University barely scraped the 300-or-over group, while KAIST, Pohang University of Science and Technology and Sungkyunkwan University ranked lower than 400. Hanyang University, Korea University and Kyungbuk University fared even worse at being placed below 500.

In contrast, five Japanese universities were listed in the top 100, with Tokyo University coming in at 14.

In The Times of Britain's list of 200 most famous institutes in the world, ...SNU stood at 119 based on these criteria, after being poorly assessed for having a low degree of research influence (141), a low ratio of students to professors (138) and a dismal ratio of foreign professors (169). However, it fared better in terms of peer reviews (63) and the ratio of foreign students (76).
by Yang Kun-man, Chosun Ilbo (December 3, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412030031.html

eamo · Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

I've never met a Korean who mentioned the education system here who said it was good.

Koreans are very aware their education system has serious problems.

I always say it's because they have such low-taxation rates. How can a government run a decent education system when the average earner is taxed around 4%!!

Gord · Joined: 25 Feb 2003

eamo · Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

everybody agrees?

animalbirdfish · Joined: 04 Feb 2004

One of the reason for SNU's poor showing was a lack of a peer review and substantial research originating there. If I'm in a class with a professor who isn't a good lecturer and, frankly, doesn't care about teaching but does great research, well, I can live with that. One frequent complaint I've heard from Korean uni students, though, is that their professors do neither. They do what they have to in order to get their positions, but after that they - by and large - simply bask in the glow of their status. I can't imagine a professor doing that and surviving at those top 100 schools.

Hyalucent · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America

http://www.nus.edu.sg/iro/docs/world-rankings-16pages.pdf

Here's the full list in pdf format.

My school's not on it. Crying or Very sad

I'm gonna go hang my fricken lamer head in shame.

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

Here is the link for the Top 500.
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm

The university I received my degrees from is in the Top 100.
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500(1-100).htm

Source:
Top 500 World Universities
Academic Ranking of World Universities - 2004
2004 Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/2004Main.htm

eamo · Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Real Reality · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul

eamo,
But, it seems difficult to get agreement on the details. (What and how?)

ThePoet · Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:55 am Post subject:

Well, shucks,

People are gleefully pointing out how poorly SNU is doing...and I took a look and then I noticed that in Canada, only McGill, UofT and UBC scored higher than SNU...and my home U of Eh...er...A was much farther below. in fact...it was below Pohang! I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!!!!!!! The U of A is even below Tasmania University...I didn't know Tasmania even had grade school (humor folks, just humor, move along, nothing to see here).

Not to mention UC-Davis and Arizona being rated even further below that...and I think they must be whacked. It's making me not take any stock in "expert opinions"

Poet

eamo · Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

J.B. Clamence · Joined: 15 Jan 2003

That's funny. I've heard SNU referred to as the Harvard of Korea, only to find out that in the rankings, it tied with the University of Virginia.

However, I do find these rankings to be all out of wack. Two of the key factors are international students and international faculty. How can you judge a university based on how many foreigners they have there? What if most of them are a bunch of rich kids whose parents sent them to America to study, but they couldn't get into a good school, so they had to go to a crappy school instead? All SNU has to do is get a bunch of morons from abroad and voila -- they'll be #1 next year. That doesn't make sense.

How can you explain the University of Texas--Austin getting #15, above Columbia and Cornell. No way! Ditto for UC-San Diego and UC-San Francisco both getting ranked higher than UCLA. Again, no way! This list is bogus. I call BS!

animalbirdfish · Joined: 04 Feb 2004