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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject: I really am trying to teach them English... |
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One of my students was trying to ask me something. But it made no sense. Something about Korea and America. I said a silent prayer it wasn't a political comment. Frustrated she wasn't making herself understood she tried another line of inquiry.
"Teacher teacher. Japan. Yonsama. Always different. Nice. Teacher teacher. What what in English?"
I thought a moment in a way Roger Penrose argues a machine never can.
"Ah. The word you're looking for is scarf."
"Yes." |
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Cheyne

Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you mean muffler....
Who uses muffler? I have only heard the term in Korea.....is it Konglish or does another English speaking country use this term? |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Don't some Americans say muffler instead of scarf!!!
Or is a muffler the exhaust of a car??
For pity's sake Americans!! Sort it out!!!  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Don't you mean muffler....
Who uses muffler? I have only heard the term in Korea.....is it Konglish or does another English speaking country use this term? |
I think he's famous for his scarfs and the exotic ways he would tie them in each scene. Where I come from a muffler is a kind of neck toque. It's a closed loop. A scarf can be a fine silk thingy or a long narrow heavy wool thingy. |
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d503

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Location: Daecheong, Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:26 am Post subject: |
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I hate to break it to you but I am pretty sure a muffler is for your hands. It's a tube looking thing that you can stick your hands into. A lot of times they are made out of fur. They are used as a sub for gloves. I don't think I have ever heard an American refer to a scarf as a muffler.
--Midwest dialect speaker |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that's news to me, I've never heard of that thing you're calling a "muffler"! I've heard it called a muffler before, but where I'm from (Buffalo, NY) we call it a "scarf".
OP, good job on figuring out what the heck your student was talking about. |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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I agree with d503 (are you a secret agent?). That's what I always thought a muffler was. I keep coming across these American/British English websites (don't ask me how) that say 'muffler' is British English for 'scarf', but it's completely untrue! A scarf is a bleedin' scarf.
I would have had no idea what the OP's student was talking about. |
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d503

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Location: Daecheong, Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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my middle name is secret, I will now have to kill you, most likely using a muffler. You really don't want to know the details  |
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crazykiwi

Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Location: new zealand via daejeon
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Hey
My phonics text book (american style english) named a "muff" as the one that went around your hands. i then had to ask the korean teacher what it said in her dictionary, she said it could be around the neck style or hands. Now i took "muff" to mean a completely different thing
Anyway, how did the OP get scarf outa that? was it the yohama? anyway, in kiwiland, a scarf is a scarf and mittens are for your hands. i have never seen a "muffler" for hands as was drawn inmy book! looks impractical if you ask me. |
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d503

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Location: Daecheong, Seoul
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| The other meaning of muff is far more common. A muff for your hands is fairly dated term--I would place it closer to turn of the century (as in 1900s) Maybe a little later. I think I first heard of one when reading the little princess as a kid. The girl on the cover has a pretty coat and muff. I asked my nana for one, and then I had a pretty coat and muff. I am going to go look for a picture of a neck muff, I am confused on how you would get it on. Ohh I see now the neck ones open like a collar. You don't slip them on. |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| d503 wrote: |
| matthewwoodford wrote: |
| I agree with d503 (are you a secret agent?). |
my middle name is secret, I will now have to kill you, most likely using a muffler. You really don't want to know the details  |
So that's what they mean when they talk about hearing 'muffled cries' from the victim. |
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