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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:48 pm    Post subject: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

A couple of posts lately have me shaking my head...

Why would anyone a) buy a game made by EA outside of the sports genre and b) expect a good gaming experience from a cash-cow, movie tie-in game?

I tell you folks, there are better games out there!

Blizzard, Microsoft, Id, Valve, Gathering of Developers, Crytech, ION storm....some names to look for when gaming.

I mean....we all look for certain things when we buy something. A trusted car company, computer parts, clothes, food....but with games, we just pick one up as if they were all cut from the same cloth.

Well, they aren't and I am a snob.

Read some reviews folks! Lord of the Rings was mediocre at best, and the reviews passed it off as just another money-grab by EA. Of course, not all have a super-computer to run the latest, but even Half-life 2 (which every gamer should own) runs on my wife's GeForce 3 64MB (3 year-old card) at 1024x768 fluidly.

Companies and engines are of great concern here. How can anyone expect a memorable or even fun experience playing a gmae from a company that has their priorities totally in the wrong order? Money first, gamers second. That's EA to a "T", among many other developers. It's like buying fashion from Wal-mart. Cheap? Yes. Functional? Yes. That's where it ends.

No point here besides wanting people to have a good time if and when they game. Do some homework before buying a game....trust me, it will pay off when you get home.

Ok....rant off.

Embarassed
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
A couple of posts lately have me shaking my head...

Why would anyone a) buy a game made by EA outside of the sports genre and b) expect a good gaming experience from a cash-cow, movie tie-in game?


I think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water, man. EA's a big house, and yeah, the vast majority of their output is crap. However, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Also remember that it's just a publisher, and that they do still have some good developers there (until they destroy them under the ginormous corporate monolith, that is).

A short list of great EA games:

Battlefield 1942
Command & Conquer: Generals (generic RTS, but explosions are fun!)
Call of Duty
Alpha Centauri (Surprised the hell out of me, too)
Undying
Freedom Force
Medal of Honor

I do keep a publisher's rep in mind (Hi Acclaim!), but I pay more attention to what the good games are.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
(Hi Acclaim!)


You cannot say hello to them for they have passed beyond.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right....good point! Embarassed I enjoyed a couple of games on that list. I guess I didn't realize that EA was partially responsible for some of those games, albeit in a distributor's role. I think there must be a distinction between games they produce as devs and games they simply distribute.

From their site:

"Electronic Arts (EA) is the world's leading independent developer and publisher of interactive entertainment software for personal computers and advanced entertainment systems..."

In my ignorance, I wasn't clear, but clearly on the right track. As devs, they are terrible. As distributors, they have their hand in enough jars, they do have some winners. I did say "made"... Wink

Ok....my point is perhaps blunt. I do however, stand by my assertion that movie tie-ins are just cash-cows, and are never memorable games. For afficionados, they are a novelty item, but that's about it.

Just for fun, I got a copy of the "Hulk" game, seeing as the movie was a hoot (and wonderfully directed by Ang Lee), I thought perhaps the game would be fun. It wasn't. Spider-man? The same. Harry Potter? The same.

If you are going to game, why do it with poor quality games? Lacking gameplay, non-intuitive functionality, generic coding and visually boring engines; hallmarks of too many games.

I guess it means a lot to some people to be Frotto for a while, or the Hulk, or Spiderman. This is why I am at fault; a snob of sorts. I think that the characters graphic representation should be second or fifth place. The gameplay, AI, engine, level design, re-playability...all of this is much more important than who my character looks like.

Heck, I would play as a tutu-sporting, crackhead ballerina if the the aforementioned qualities were all present in quality. It's only a game at heart, so why have the very things that make a game good be absent? Superficialities rule the day.

I say these things only bacause I am a snob. If people really enjoy these games, then all the power to them. Who am I to trash another's fun? I guess I just threw this up to try and make some folks think about things when they drop some of their hard-earned money on a title for the title.
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

Gord wrote:

You cannot say hello to them for they have passed beyond.


I was in the market for a faux Louis XIV dining room set...
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:

Just for fun, I got a copy of the "Hulk" game, seeing as the movie was a hoot (and wonderfully directed by Ang Lee)

See, I just didn't enjoy that movie. The way he framed shots to look like comic book frames was unique, but distracting for me. I also thought the Hulk looked like obviously CGIed ass. Of course, maybe that's just because for me Lou Ferrigno will now and forever be the Hulk, baby.

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I thought perhaps the game would be fun. It wasn't. Spider-man? The same. Harry Potter? The same.

No idea on Harry Potter (the game or the movie), but the first Spider-Man game wasn't bad for what it was, and it was cheap at that ($20). Apparently the second game is even better on the X-Box (I don't know, I'm not a console gamer), but for some reason the PC title is a completely different, and much suckier game.

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If you are going to game, why do it with poor quality games? Lacking gameplay, non-intuitive functionality, generic coding and visually boring engines; hallmarks of too many games.

Because a lot of people have healthier obsessions than you and I do. I game because I've never been able to sleep worth a damn and still only get around 3-4 hours a night. Leaves a lot of time in my schedule. However, keeping abreast of what games are coming out, how good they are, etc is time consuming. And a lot of people don't want to put in that time; they'd rather just take a gamble on an interesting box and go from there.

Let's also not forget that we have refined palates when it comes to games because we play a hell of a lot of them. Other people don't so their bars are far lower. I don't begrudge them that, they have different priorities. Besides, someone's got to buy less than stellar games because having a larger industry produces a larger pool of talent.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
A short list of great EA games:

Battlefield 1942
Command & Conquer: Generals (generic RTS, but explosions are fun!)
Call of Duty
Alpha Centauri (Surprised the hell out of me, too)
Undying
Freedom Force
Medal of Honor

Agree with this list except for Freedom Force and C&C Generals. They are my exceptions only because I haven't played them.
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Hank Scorpio



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: I am a snob and EA is awful. Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:

Agree with this list except for Freedom Force and C&C Generals. They are my exceptions only because I haven't played them.


Generals you can skip, but if you were ever a comic nerd you need to get a copy of Freedom Force. Great strategy/RPG game set in the four color era, with an unapologetic "Gee Whiz!" feel to it. Everything is destructible; buildings, trees, you can toss cars and lamp posts around, etc.

Oooh! And Freedom Force vs. the Third Reich will be coming out shortly, too!
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you're talking about PC games, but I like what EA has done with Burnout 3. Everything or Nothing is also a good game.
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the sports games have gotten a little shoddy. Madden 2005 is pretty much a carbon copy of the 2004 version, save a few add-ons to the Franchise mode and the roster updates. Sega Sports tried to capture some of the market by selling the 2005 version of their game for $29.95. Not sure if it helped them regain some of their market though.

For Non-sports games, I thought Medal of Honor was a pretty good game, though Rising Son seemed to be lacking alot.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I just started playing need for speed2 underground
and I was thinking it was gonna be a sic game..
well its ok.. its just too boring!!
I mean they should have made it like GTA more action getting out of the cars, and getting new cars etc...
man when are these game developers gonna make some real interactive games!!
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:

man when are these game developers gonna make some real interactive games!!



Half life 2 mate.....
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mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half-life2 hasn't exactly been getting stellar reviews. Like Halo2, many reviews I've read say it falls short of its predecessor (at best). Doom3 has been poo-pood a goodly amount as well. Basic problems linking all three games: repetition and a storyline that simply peters out/disappoints. Sure, the graphics are McWonderful in all three games, but you can only look at the pretty screen for so long before you need to DO SOMETHING INTERESTING.

Now, Fable for Xbox, there's a FUN game!!

BTW: I loved Halo2 the first few times I played it through to the end simply because I enjoy the storyline. The graphics and gameplay were solid, but frankly I'm already bored with the single player campaign. I still go back and play the original Halo SPC once in a while because it still sh*ts all over most games.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Half-life2 hasn't exactly been getting stellar reviews.

Going to have to disagree here.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/pc/scores/

It's got a 97% rating based on an average of 60 reviews, earning it hands-down the best rated pc game ever.
(Doom3- for comparison- is down at #107)

But yeah, I miss the original HL, System Shock2, No One Lives Forever, and Deus Ex when the game would seem to go on forever and just keep getting better and better. I play solo campaigns- I don't give a shit if you have 20 multiplayer variations- 12 hours of solo-play just doesn't cut it.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Half-life2 hasn't exactly been getting stellar reviews. Like Halo2, many reviews I've read say it falls short of its predecessor (at best). Doom3 has been poo-pood a goodly amount as well. Basic problems linking all three games: repetition and a storyline that simply peters out/disappoints. Sure, the graphics are McWonderful in all three games, but you can only look at the pretty screen for so long before you need to DO SOMETHING INTERESTING.


Sorry man, but this is pure comedy. I'm no fanboy, and I am very critical of games on many levels, but I have to tell you, across the net and in 90% of the player's hearts, this game is the winner of the last few years.

I really don't know where you get your information. It's possible you are confusing Steam with Half-life, as Steam has certainly taken it's knocks, as the online authentification scheme, but I have seen nothing but praise lauded on this game. And man, did I read a lot.

The ending? Take it or leave it, it's no worse than the cliffhang that hollywood lays down at the end of a lot of movies, in preparation for the sequel, and HL2 did this as well. I will say that it's hard to lose the game, even on "hard"....hopefully they can crank up the AI in a patch. Repetition? Nah...I wouldn't level that criticism at it at all.

Anyways, I suggest you play it before you review it.

I found Doom3 to be great. A bit repetitive, but it kept me coming back. It was a hoot...

HL1 was way long, seemingly with a lot of fluff. HL2 is intense and lean from start to finish.

Halo was born to die....too ambitious, too much hype, not enough work put into it. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda....the story of Halo and Halo 2. Almost there, but not....
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