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[mithridates]

I'm a bit bored of being told that Koreans have lots of ��. About half the time I get in a discussion with them about their values the answer is 'you see, Koreans are people with a lot of ��.'
��....sigh...talking about �� is boring.

My rants are simple and to the point. No conclusions here, just bored of hearing about ��.

[chronicpride]

��-abuse is arguably the biggest catalyst for corruption in Korea, IMO. "Why do you do need a contract for this? Let's have a �� relationship." I've seen so many Korean friends get burned, because of the expected adherence to �� in this society.

[jajdude]

All right,

Explain ��....

Anything like �� ...?

Personally I think it's a load of b.s.

(oh, we are korean--- we have something only koreans can understand...

and the rest of us are from another planet perhaps?)

[jurassic5]

����?? well, i guess the guys do...

[Real Reality]

The meaning of '��(��)', 'Jung' is literally the thought or feeling that is aroused by looking at something. 'Jung' is something you cannot make or discard which means it cannot be consciously done but unconsciously through peoples minds it can give you certain, deep emotional feeling.

You can identify the typical Korean with the core being 'Jung'; Gentle Jung, detestable Jung, fine Jung, even if it is something bad we can say that we have gotten jung between us now. That is how much Jung means to Koreans, it is the basis of the nation. Koreans have plenty of Jung. The jung has also a side effect which is always not so good, thus might be a weakness of our jung but Koreans tend to get attached to people in a different sense to western people. Westerners have a tendency to break and cut off relationships when they feel necessary but because of the jung we possess once you are aquainted it is hard not to stick with them through thick and thin. However as times are changing the Jung of the Koreans are changing, because of the nuclear family traditions that have been the norm for the past 10-20 years.
Just a Hakwon
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http://www.korearecruit21.com/english/korea_distinctive.asp

Explaining �� is always difficult. It's, I think, easier to start with ���� [����] "feelings" and then trackback. "Affection" doesn't really cut it, but it's a start. It's that (warm, positive) feeling you get (slowly, we're not talking about at-first-sight love or even just love, it's beyond that) about someone or something. Of course, it's also about love....
http://sungnyemun.org/weblog2/?theDate=20040609
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A key element of understanding "minjung" is being able to comprehend the concept of "han," which has been deemed as "untranslatable" by some Koreans but called by others an indispensable key in being able to understand the Korean soul (Cox 1995).

But more exactly, what is "han?" One scholar calls it a "feeling of unresolved resentment against injustices suffered, a sense of helplessness because of the overwhelming odds against one, a feeling of acute pain in one's guts and bowels, making the whole body writhe and squirm, and an obstinate urge to take revenge and to right the wrong -- all these combined (Nam-dong:55-72 quoted in Yoo:221).

Han is very deep rooted in Korean culture and the country's entire way of life has been profoundly shaped by the doctrine/concept (Yoo 1988).

Suh Nam-dong writes:

Koreans have suffered numerous invasions by powerful surrounding nations so that the very existence of the Korean nation has come to be understood as Han. Koreans have continually suffered the tyranny of the rulers so that they think of their existence as Baeksong (individually or collectively, those under the control of a sovereign. This term is nowadays used to mean common people). Also, under Confucianism's strict imposition of laws and customs discriminating against women, the existence of women was Han itself. At a certain point in Korean history, about half of the population were registered as hereditary slaves and were treated as property rather than as people of the nation. They thought of their lives as Han. These four points may be called the fourfold Han of the Korean people. Indeed, as the poet Ko Bun exclaims, "We Koreans were born from the womb of Han and brought up in the womb of Han." (Suh Nam-dong:55-72 quoted in Yoo 1988:222).

Another scholar says that Han is an underlying feeling of the Korean nation. While one aspect of Han manifests as a feeling of basic worthlessness, on the other hand it can also be displayed as a zest for life which comes to weaker beings. The first aspect can sometimes be sublimated to result in a demonstration of great artistic expression and the other aspect can result in a revolution or a rebellion (Yoo 1988).
By Jeremy Reynalds, Shamanistic Influences In Korean Pentecostal Christianity: An Analysis. (Spring 2000).
http://www.rickross.com/reference/yoidoyonggi/yoido3.html
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�� �� [����] feeling; [����] emotion; [����] love; affection; [����] sentiment; [����] passion; [����] human nature;
[����] sympathy; compassion; [����] heart
����� �� conjugal affection
���׸��� �� longing; yearning
����ӴϿ� ���� �� affection for one's mother
�����̵鿡 ���� ��Ӵ��� �� a motherly affection toward children
������ �ִ� set one's affections on ((a person))
�����ڿ� ���� ��� become attached to[grow fond of] a girl
http://endic.naver.com/endic.php?docid=223038
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�� [�ϳ���] one; a
�� �� a[one] year

�� ��
�� �� [����] a grudge; a heartburning; rancor; spite; hatred; [��ź] a lamentation; a regret; grief; deploring ...
��õ���� �� a lasting regret ... ������ �Ǵ� �� a grudge; grievances ... ���� ���� regrettable; hate...
http://endic.naver.com/endic.php?docid=245322

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���� ����
���� ���� a fixed amount; a specified amount ... �����׿� ���ϴ� come up to the specified amount ...
�� a fixed-rate lamp ... �� a ration ... ����(���) amortization ... �� a fixed amount tax

���� ����
���� ���� semen; sperm; spermatic fluid ... �� a spermaduct ... ���� a seminal emission ... ��(��) spermatin ...
�� spermatology ... ���� a spermatologist

http://endic.naver.com/search.naver?mode=all&query=%C1%A4%BE%D7&x=20&y=15

[mithridates]

Yeah, �� abuse. I started this thread because I got a message from a Korean guy who had sent me a few messages before through Cyworld and I hadn't responded yet. This time he sent one with a small lecture on how Koreans have �� and I should get some �� myself and respond to his emails.
He's just some guy though...


Here's a prime example of �� abuse: director goes and picks up a new teacher from the airport, drives around and shows him the places to shop, get clothes, where to take the bus and so on. It's Saturday but he makes a comment on how he doesn't mind because of his ��. New teacher is jet-lagged and is just taking it all in stride. A few weeks later a parent needs an interview with the teacher but only has time after class, when everybody goes home. Maybe around 8 pm. Teacher tries to refuse but the director says "Where is your ��? Don't you want to help like I did on my time off?" ...that technique will usually work for a new teacher for a few months.

It's funny though when a new teacher mentions this to the others. "Director Kim asked me to help out after school and I thought I would because he was so nice to me before." that's when all the other teachers will sigh and roll their eyes, since they've already become so jaded.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[katydid]

Jeong to me has always been a Korean form of kissing up and kissing ass.

[funplanet]

well said, katydid....Koreans are great at being the victim in everything and then turning around and screwing you up the ole arse...I simply refuse to do ask for anything if it means I will have to "pay" back in the future and don't misunderstand me...it's different with true friends and family but with 99% of the K's....forget it, I can do it myself

[gi66y]

Jung can be all of those things...it's clear that there is no one word that encompasses all of the meanings of Jung.

That said, I think of Jung more in terms of the feelings of attachment that you build up to someone or something by spending time with them or it. Jung doesn't only have to be towards people. You can build up Jung to your car or apartment.

It reminds me of this guy I used to live nearby when I was young; at a time when friendships are usually forged more by geographical proximity than by the kind of person they are. He was a *beep* growing up, so I have made no effort to stay in contact with him now that I'm through school and we've gone our separate ways, but I still get a warm feeling of closeness when I talk to him that prevents me severing all contact completely.

That's how I think of Jung.

[dzeisons]

i find it funny (not in the laughing sense) that koreans have a complete social system that prescibes how one should live their lives 'as a good person'. naturally people have managed ways to get around the system and use the system for their own advantage. One example i can think of happened to my wife. her coworker invited her out for dinner. my wife thought that because the coworker invited her the coworker was going to pay. at the end of the meal the coworker said "oh thanks a lot for paying for dinner it was delicious". because my wife was two years or so older she couldn't really argue and had to pay because of 'face'.

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