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ifa79



Joined: 29 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Better jobs in Korea? Reply with quote

Hi, I worked in hagwon for one year and it was OK, then returned to Canada and am going to finish my Bacherlor of Education degree in a few months. Since I don't want to teach in here for a few years, I want to live abroad again.
Are there school, universities or international schools that would value a B.Ed and also a TESOL cert., or should I look at another place like Hong Kong or Singapore? I'd love to teach ESL and other subjects in English ideally.
Any advice or ideas,
Thanks
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know for sure. Some jobs will pay a bit more for B.Ed. Many do not really care, as you might know. You got any degree, white, from one of the great countries of Englishania! -- job is yours.

(PS.. I've got a B.ed. (and Eng Lit...) hasn't helped me yet, but maybe I'm a dummass)
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Better jobs in Korea? Reply with quote

ifa79 wrote:
Hi, I worked in hagwon for one year and it was OK, then returned to Canada and am going to finish my Bacherlor of Education degree in a few months. Since I don't want to teach in here for a few years, I want to live abroad again.
Are there school, universities or international schools that would value a B.Ed and also a TESOL cert., or should I look at another place like Hong Kong or Singapore? I'd love to teach ESL and other subjects in English ideally.
Any advice or ideas,
Thanks


I think there was a thread on this not too long ago. The conclusion was there are slightly better teaching jobs in Korea for people with B.Eds but you have to really look. As we all know the vast majority of hagwons are a business supply a perceived need: the parents want their kids to learn English from an American/Canadian who sounds like Tom Cruise.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like Tom Cruise? LOL

Looks like may be more accurate....

Cute is king/queen in vain Korea.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: education degree Reply with quote

Sad thing is, in Korea MOST OF THE TIME, it is looks that count. You can have a masters, taught for 15 years, and are a great teacher, but if a blonde blue eyed young graduate who has never taught wants the job, chances are that will be the person who gts hired. This does not mean to say that some places value experience. If you have the time to look, you can find some place that values you. (maybe) This is why jobs want your picture. Koreans do not value experience, mothers want to tell other mothers that their child has a beautiful teacher.
I have seen many jobs that say "25 - 35" years old. As the saying goes, you can have a degree in basket weaving, but if you look the part, the job is yours.
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junkmail



Joined: 08 Jan 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: education degree Reply with quote

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I have seen many jobs that say "25 - 35" years old. As the saying goes, you can have a degree in basket weaving, but if you look the part, the job is yours.


I couldn't agree more. That said I've seen some decent jobs via recruiters here at Dave's that ask for a Bed. Univiversities might like it as well as public schools and international schools but you probably have to be here in February to get them.

Also look at http://pusanweb.com/ .
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Sounds like Tom Cruise? LOL

Looks like may be more accurate....

Cute is king/queen in vain Korea.


I got turned down because of my voice once actually. They told me I didn't sound American. Rolling Eyes and didn't believe I was from there. Yeah, my passport is fake and my diploma was made in Bangkok, you got me. I'm really a russian.
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did they say you sounded like? Some bigwig big car driving big hat wearing oil tycoon from Houston? Very Happy
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i admit i have a somewhat unique voice that is lower than most men. No accent though; I'm Californian like that. On the plus side, no other Koreans had any issues with my voice, and I wasn't very interested in the job anyway (kid's herald way out at Bupyeong).
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know where you're from...that's why it made your comment all the funnier.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true looks and passports count for more. I get far more interest in me after I dyed my hair blonde and used my canadain passport instead of my kiwi one. apparently the education degree is basically the icing on the cake. There's a certain amount of bias even in the public schools where looks count.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: jobs Reply with quote

About accents........I am from Brooklyn, New York, and people like the way I sound because I sound like a character from a movie. But American accents differ so much. I have a friend from Texas, and when she speaks fast I can hardly understand her at times So when Koreans ask for an "American" accent", there are so many differences.
Yes, some good jobs care about looks, accent, and age. BUT .... if you are in the right place at the right time, looks, age, and accent do not matter as much. Plenty of Universities or Public schools hire now for March, but just wait until the last week in February when there are plenty of "no shows" and that job that would not look at you earlier will grab any warm body (almost any) who can start in one week.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
It's true looks and passports count for more. I get far more interest in me after I dyed my hair blonde and used my canadain passport instead of my kiwi one. apparently the education degree is basically the icing on the cake. There's a certain amount of bias even in the public schools where looks count.


Are there any other countries as shallow as Korea is in this regard? Venezula maybe? I actually had an in-person interview in Korea where I showed up well-dressed and presentable, but the interview went to *beep* before it even started. The director's wife was snarly with me and the director just basically dismissed me without even asking me any questions! I travelled 2 hours by train to Bundang for this interview and was po'ed about it. My recruiter told me the director of the school told her that I was "too tall" and wasn't what they were "looking for". Rolling Eyes

I thought to myself good one, I hope that their school gets some good-looking, umm, shorter fresh-out-of-college kid who *beep*s all over their school in their short-time there, and then runs away after payday.
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nrvs



Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: standing upright on a curve

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bosintang wrote:
that I was "too tall"

Man, and I thought being tall was an asset for us foreigners?

I'm 6'2". I've been at my school for three months now and I still get "oh, you so tall!" from students, staff, and the occasional English-speaking parent.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrvs wrote:
bosintang wrote:
that I was "too tall"

Man, and I thought being tall was an asset for us foreigners?

I'm 6'2". I've been at my school for three months now and I still get "oh, you so tall!" from students, staff, and the occasional English-speaking parent.


I'm about 6'4", so I am tall, but not ungodly so (at least I don't think so Confused ).

After looking at many jobs in Korea and Japan, I'm convinced that most schools generally want someone who looks and feels like the last good employee they had. So if the last good foreign teacher a school had was a 34yr old Canadian female, then that's who they want to hire right now. Not very productive I think, but many of these quirks of the Korean mentality (dare I use that expression?) are the reason why most of us are here and have jobs to begin with.
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