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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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 Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: How much unpaid overtime do you do ? |
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In last year's TUC survey, teachers ranked second in a list of professions doing the most unpaid overtime.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4149835.stm
The survey, done in Britain showed that teachers worked the second highest amount of overtime.
It just made me think about the amount of unpaid overtime the average teacher clocks up here in Korea.
EDIT: by unpaid overtime I mean non-teaching hours (since most teachers only get paid for their teaching hours). I would include class prep (to a degree!), christmas plays, halloween pagents, homework correction, test correction, test setting, after class punishment, outings (that last beyond the normal school day), phone counselling, tape corrections, christmas (meet the parents) dinners, syllabus setting, book selection and purchasing etc... I'm sure I'm leaving some things out here
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Randall Flagg
Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Location: Talkin' trash to the garbage around you
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| I don't get paid any overtime. But it was my choice as I was given the option when I resigned my last contract. I could get a monthly lump sum raise and keep the current overtime rate or lose the overtime completely and get a per class raise. The per class raise paid off the best so I took it. I work a lot of what would be concidered overtime by others at my school but I don't mind. The teachers I have worked with over the past seem to forget that the average work day back home is usually 8 hours. No one I work with now works for 8 hours. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Zero.
In my contract it says 120 hours teaching.
In a month i woud be at the hagwon a total(teaching and non-teaching) of 100 hours a month.
I'm pretty happy. |
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No L
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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With my last job, I was an extremely dedicated teacher. I put in tons of unpaid overtime hours doing lots of different stuff: marking, writing reports, making supplements, redesigning the curriculum, planning activity days, cleaning the classrooms, etc, etc. I really cared about doing a good job and making a good program for the students. That job ended with my boss firing me at the 11th month mark to save paying me my plane ticket and severance.
Lesson learned.
I don't do any unpaid work at my current job. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| No L wrote: |
With my last job, I was an extremely dedicated teacher. I put in tons of unpaid overtime hours doing lots of different stuff: marking, writing reports, making supplements, redesigning the curriculum, planning activity days, cleaning the classrooms, etc, etc. I really cared about doing a good job and making a good program for the students. That job ended with my boss firing me at the 11th month mark to save paying me my plane ticket and severance.
Lesson learned.
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Jeez that sucks. Yeah, I'm in my first job (started my second year) and I do a lot of stuff with the kids above and beyond. I find it easy to slip into "uncle mode". Like, last month I took a couple kids on a Sunday for a field trip down to the used English book store in Itaewon and then Starbucks for hot chocolate. I would feel really, really bad if my school turned around and screwed me like that. And you could bet my next job I would punch a clock and go home and not give a rats ass.
It's a bit like people who find a new job and give too much notice. They don't want to leave their employer high and dry with only two weeks notice. So they'll give a month's notice. But then the employer tries to screw the employee over. I've seen that happen a lot. One friend, a developer, wanted to make sure his work had enough time to hire a new developer and train him. So he gave a month's notice. The company's response was to take him off all projects and give him no work for the rest of his month. Just make him sit by his office window and diddle. This was before the Internet. Being paid to surf the net for a month wouldn't be so bad. Anyway, he was pretty pissed off by that.
And then another friend gave notice. He also made the mistake of telling his employer where he was going to. His idea was the old employer would need to contact him for information. "What do we do when we encounter this problem? Or that one?" His employer, instead, used the information to contact the company that offered him a job and made up a bunch of BS as to why they shouldn't hire him!
My philosophy is this: give two weeks. No more, no less. It doesn't matter how important you are or how bad off the company is going to be when you leave. Because when a company doesn't need you anymore, they'll lay you off without a second thought. They won't think "Oh wait, he's getting married... she's having a baby..." Boom. You're gone. No consideration. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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With my last job, I was an extremely dedicated teacher. I put in tons of unpaid overtime hours doing lots of different stuff: marking, writing reports, making supplements, redesigning the curriculum, planning activity days, cleaning the classrooms, etc, etc. I really cared about doing a good job and making a good program for the students. That job ended with my boss firing me at the 11th month mark to save paying me my plane ticket and severance.
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That is seriously bad No L, try not to be too bitter though, because you sound like an excellent teacher ... their loss !
They can take your bonus and return flight, but that's a gift that can't take from you unless you give it up yourself...
Maybe you should put in your 'overtime' by getting yourself a masters or something along those lines.
That's the kind of thing you can take with you to any school... |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Contract (still unsigned) says 44 per week, I generally clock 55 or so. |
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nrvs
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: standing upright on a curve
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| I spend 2-3 hours a month at home grading tests and a half-hour here and there photocopying materials. Most everything else I can finish during my 30 contracted hours per week. |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| I average about 500k a month in ot.... |
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