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Generalisations vs. Racism
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Generalisations vs. Racism Reply with quote

What exactly is the difference making a generalisation and being racist?

I, and others, have made generalisations about Koreans and been pounced upon as "racist."

To me, racism is saying something that is patently false and using it for negative reinforcement.

Am I being a racist if I say:
Koreans like gimchee and soju, and most hate Japan.
Canadians like to blame America, and are overly fond of cannabis.
British like self-deprecating humour, and most are heavy drinkers.
Americans are bombastic, and overly patriotic.
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thebum



Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I think of when I hear the word racism:

"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."

I don't think what you said makes you racist. I think that those are a bunch of stereotypes (stereotypes are useful and time-saving, but also problem-causing), and I believe many of the things you said are true, for the most part.
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generalization: Koreans like kimchi.

Racism: Koreans like kimchi because they don't know any better.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zenpickle wrote:


Racism: Koreans like kimchi because they don't know any better.


I like Kimchi becuase I don't know any better. Shocked
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Generalisations vs. Racism Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
What exactly is the difference making a generalisation and being racist?

Little hint: If you don't know where the line is, then it's probably a good idea to keep your yap shut.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere once where it is ok to constructively criticise society but not culture.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Generalisations vs. Racism Reply with quote

Blind Willie wrote:
JacktheCat wrote:
What exactly is the difference making a generalisation and being racist?

Little hint: If you don't know where the line is, then it's probably a good idea to keep your yap shut.


Would you like to share with the group where that line might be?
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skinhead



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thebum wrote:
This is what I think of when I hear the word racism:

"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."

I don't think what you said makes you racist. I think that those are a bunch of stereotypes (stereotypes are useful and time-saving, but also problem-causing), and I believe many of the things you said are true, for the most part.


Oi loik the cut o' yer jib, thebum.
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i highly doubt blind willie will offer anything. the irony of blind willie is that despite his desire to portray himself as a knowledgeable and objective observant of korea, his posts, as brief and inane as they usually are, show him to be little more than arrogant, smug and ignorant.

you can always rely on him to contribute a useless one-liner that's seldom on topic or in any way objective.

see a post from blind willie, move on.

as to the OP, i think in its simplest terms, the biggest difference between the two is the context and the way comments are used. as one poster said, generalisations are often easy and convenient but fraught with danger. racist comments are easily identified as they endeavour to belittle a race or person because of race. generalisations don't necessarily do that.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i highly doubt blind willie will offer anything. the irony of blind willie is that despite his desire to portray himself as a knowledgeable and objective observant of korea, his posts, as brief and inane as they usually are, show him to be little more than arrogant, smug and ignorant.

you can always rely on him to contribute a useless one-liner that's seldom on topic or in any way objective.

see a post from blind willie, move on.


I was just asking a question dude.

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racist comments are easily identified as they endeavour to belittle a race or person because of race. generalisations don't necessarily do that.


So, if I say something like "Jews are good with money", am I making a generalization or a racist comment?
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as i said it depends on context. it's a generalisation but where do gen. usually come from? at their heart they often have an element of truth to them.

of course ppl would come out and say 'all jews are good with money?' is what you're saying a euphemism for jews rip you off? etc etc and therein lies the inherent danger of making a generalisation.

but given the context and the nature of the comment it could be a gen. or made as a racist remark.

people tend to buck up when a comment is made that isn't necessarily seen as harmless, despite how much truth it may or may not hold. to say aussies like vegemite or indians love curry is generally true and generally harmless so ppl don't feel much about it.

but to say jews are good with money suddenly takes on a more serious note because of many reasons. it may be as true as the comments about indians or aussies but it doesn't get glossed over as flippantly.

it could still be classed as a gen. though.
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indiercj



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you think Koreans are racists?

Are they just generalizing?
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you asking me? if you are, see the above about context etc
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

korian wrote:
i highly doubt blind willie will offer anything.

Sock, I'm offering you the chance to shut the hell up and not waste my time with your insecurities. How's that, sunshine?

Paji eh Wong wrote:
Would you like to share with the group where that line might be?

Given the context of our topic, here's the line that should run through everyone's minds: "Will this offend people of a given race if I make this statement? I don't know, and I don't want to come across as a bigot, so I better keep my yap shut until I do."

It seems pretty simple.

Now given the history of similar posts here, what the OP really seems to be saying is: "I said something stupid at one point and I'd like people to come and help me find a good rationalization so I dont have to take responsibility for my own words." Fairly typical internet expat stuff.
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sock, I'm offering you the chance to shut the hell up and not waste my time with your insecurities.


true to form old willie. no idea.....no idea.....if i'm a sock, how do you know who i really am when it seems i, mr. sock, joined here before you?

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Given the context of our topic, here's the line that should run through everyone's minds: "Will this offend people of a given race if I make this statement? I don't know, and I don't want to come across as a bigot, so I better keep my yap shut until I do."

It seems pretty simple.


so if it offends someone it's racist and if it doesn't offend them it's a generalisation? one man's meat is another man's poison....
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