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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:33 am Post subject: Who determines your vacation time in a Hagwon? |
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Hey there,
I need to go back to North America for a couple days in June (minimum. If I could have an entire week, it would be grand). My question is this: how do you negotiate when you take your vacation time? Do you do it before the contract is signed? Or does the boss choose when you take your vacation? I'll be signing a 1-year contract.
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| unless you tell them up front what days off you need and get them to agree "in writing" your chances of getting them to agree to give you time off once you are here is slim to none. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Best to negotiate it before hand, unless you want to be forced to play the dead relative card. |
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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. What happened to your avatar peppermint?  |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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she went on vacation?  |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Who determines your vacation time in a Hagwon? |
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| Rather_Dashing wrote: |
Hey there,
I need to go back to North America for a couple days in June (minimum. If I could have an entire week, it would be grand). My question is this: how do you negotiate when you take your vacation time? Do you do it before the contract is signed? Or does the boss choose when you take your vacation? I'll be signing a 1-year contract.
Thanks! |
People have lots of reasons for doing the things they do, but if you need to go back to NA during your contract make SURE it is for a week.
It is expensive and takes 15 hours each way plus the jet-lag. You are nuts to go for a "couple of days"
(Having said that somethings in life are worth $1500 and 3 hours in the air for only one day.)
(Get the week in writing. And go friday night returning the next sunday.) |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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First, check your contract. Some schools have scheduled holidays. You get your ten days off but everyone gets them off at the same time. To wit, the school closes for a week in winter and a week in summer. You don't get to pick and choose.
Second, most contracts state you have to give one month notice of vacation time and your manager/director needs to approve it.
So yeah, best thing is not to go roaring in like I WILL BE GONE THESE DAYS SO DEAL WITH IT.
I'd try "Say, I really need to go home for a week to see my family. June would be ideal. How can we work this?" |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Bit of both.
They choose the summer vacation(3 days) and winter vacation(1 crappy day) and i choose 6 days of my own. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Who determines your vacation time in a Hagwon? |
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| Rather_Dashing wrote: |
Hey there,
I need to go back to North America for a couple days in June (minimum. If I could have an entire week, it would be grand). My question is this: how do you negotiate when you take your vacation time? Do you do it before the contract is signed? Or does the boss choose when you take your vacation? I'll be signing a 1-year contract.
Thanks! |
Vacations and hogwans just don't mix. Myself and everyone I know who has ever asked and negotiated their vacation time, has almost always had it become an issue when the time comes.
I don't know anyway around it. I quit one contract to attend my brothers wedding.. and another contract I had to forget my one-week pre-planned vacation or else my employer was going to 'threaten' me somehow even though it was written into the contract 
Anyhow, make it into as much of an issue as you can beforehand... in the one I quit over it.. it was written I had 1 month off.. which I assumed I would take in July for my bro's wedding.. but it turns out I could take any month off except July or August because more students enrolled in the Summer (which was never mentioned in the contract)..
In the second one, despite having 2 weeks of vacation time in my contract.. they had financial problems and decided only 1 week was sufficient which I took already.. so absolutely no more would be allowed for my contract unless they hired someone else (which they had no intention of doing).. |
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tmcurro
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Joined: 08 Aug 2003
Location: S.Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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According to the Korean Ministry of Labor, the following (in Article 59 of Labor Standards Act), applies:
http://www.molab.go.kr:8787/labor/labor_03_02.jsp
"15~25 days of annual leave will be granted. - Those who have worked continuously for one year are granted 15 days of annual leave. Annual leave increases by one day every two years. - Those who have worked continuously for less than one year are granted one-day annual leave for each month of service. Measures to promote the use of leave will be newly established."
Whether anyone can find a hagwon that will not flout the clearly spelled out law, even when presented in black and white to them, is another story. |
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nrvs
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| tmcurro wrote: |
| 15~25 days of annual leave will be granted. |
I think this rests upon Korea looking upon the workweek as being 5.5 days. Yes, a half-day on Saturday. Do you have all of Saturday off? Those full Saturdays are your annual "days of leave" under the Labor Standards Act. So, basically, you're not entitled to any vacation time in the Western sense. If anything, your hagwon is well within the law, considering we'd only qualify for 12 full days with a year-long contract. They're actually extending an added benefit by not making you work a half-day on Saturday.
5.5 * 52 weeks in the year = 286 total working days
365 days in the year - 286 = 79
79 - 52 sundays = 27 days, which is the other half of every Saturday in the year
I think I remember Gord arguing this point a while ago. But that might not mean anything because Gord loved to push people's buttons and argue for the sake of the argument much of the time.
(Please correct me if I'm wrong, or if I've got the math screwed up. I just finished my second beer of the evening so I might be forgetting something.)
As for me: my hagwon gives native speakers 5 days in the winter and 5 in the summer. My winter vacation was 4 working days, and I went to Singapore for a great holiday. I took the remaining winter vacation day this week, on Monday. They haven't told us when summer vacation is yet, but I'm planning to visit Beijing whenever it occurs. |
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tmcurro
Joined: 08 Aug 2003
Location: S.Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| nrvs wrote: |
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| 15~25 days of annual leave will be granted. |
Those full Saturdays are your annual "days of leave" under the Labor Standards Act. |
Nope, Korean Labor Standards Act says that you are entitled to at least one day a week as weekly leave. Also, as of July 1, 2004, Korea was officially on a 5 day work week.
But, I have submitted the question to the Ministry of Labor's Q&A forum to see what they interpret the rules to be. I am still waiting for the question to be answered at this point.
Of course, in reality, we all know that Korean "laws" are viewed more as guidelines rather than rules, and people, especially ajeossis, just do what they please regardless of what the law says and also regardless of who they screw to further their personal agenda. It is a wonder that this country isn't in a perpetual state of chaos. |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: vacation |
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Sometimes vacation depends on you. I just signed a new contract and they had set vacation, the dates are written into the contract. I just needed 2 extra weeks: 3 weeks in a row. Yes, the 2 extra weeks will be unpaid, but it is written into the contract I can have them.
I do understand that even if something is written into your contract, Korea is Korea. |
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