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Does SNU's location suck?

 
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Does SNU's location suck? Reply with quote

Hi, all-

I will be going to Korea in the summer to study in an intensive program for three months at Seoul National or Yonsei. I'm leaning toward Seoul National because it looks like they combine speaking, grammar, writing and reading better than at Yonsei, and the dates of their program work better for me.

But, I have heard it said that the location of SNU really sucks. I'm not sure how much I care because I don't care about being in the area heavily populated with university students, and I'm not one to go out clubbing or anything like that. My goal is to learn as much Korean as possible in a short amount of time. Am I right in thinking that there will be fewer English speakers in that part of Seoul, and more motivation to learn Korean?

What about aesthetically? Is SNU in an ugly neighborhood? What is there to do nearby (day trips, hiking, etc.)? How long does it take to get to the central part of Seoul by bus/subway?

Thanks for the help!

taobenli
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But, I have heard it said that the location of SNU really sucks.


Yes, kinda. I don't know that area very well, but it is a bit far from the glitz. If Korea has glitz. It is, however, on all the main subway lines and is not more than a ten-minute ride from Kangnam.

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I'm not sure how much I care because I don't care about being in the area heavily populated with university students, and I'm not one to go out clubbing or anything like that.


Then you should be fine. Yonsei is next to a large club area, SNU not so much.

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My goal is to learn as much Korean as possible in a short amount of time. Am I right in thinking that there will be fewer English speakers in that part of Seoul, and more motivation to learn Korean?


Yes, but this is kind of splitting hairs. There aren't many English speakers anywhere in Korea, except maybe in Itaewon.

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What about aesthetically? Is SNU in an ugly neighborhood?


No more so than the rest of Seoul. Hiking on Kwanak-san is good, I hear.

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How long does it take to get to the central part of Seoul by bus/subway?


Ten minutes to Kangnam on line#2? Maybe? Dunno, I drive.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in that area and I agree with everything the above poster wrote. The SNU campus is kinda halfway on a mountain range, so you can look at some pretty (although smog-enshrouded) mountains and go hiking there. And there is a old-fashioned Korean market in Nakseongdae, similar to Namdaemun but much smaller. Other than that, the area is unremarkable and ugly, but only as ugly as the rest of Seoul is ugly. I mean, doesn't everywhere in Seoul kinda look like everywhere else? If you were lost and there were no signs what could you say? "Uh, I'm near a noraebang and an LG gas station. There's a Kim Bab restaurant next to a Buy-the-Way. And an Outback Steakhouse." There are exceptions to this rule, most of which are listed in the tour books. The area around SNU is just not one those exceptions. I would definitely say that Sinchon (Yonsei's area) is more in the 'heart' of Seoul and closer to those interesting places. Just walking around that area is so much more exciting than SNU's area. But with the subway, nothing in the real Seoul metropolitan area is more than an hour away from anything else. SNU is about 35 minutes from Yonsei by subway. I can say that the campus is nice and the facilities are good at SNU. Don't know about Yonsei.
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yonsei, Ewha, and Sogang universities all centre around Sinchon and Hongdae is right next door so that is one big party area. If you want to have a good time partying in Seoul, that's where you want to be.

SNU is the top university though. Ideally, you'll be able to crash at a friend's place in Sinchon or Hongdae on nights out, but study at SNU the rest of the time.
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments. And thank you for your PM, peppergirl!

taobenli
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived near SNU for a year. I lived in Sillim-dong. Most SNU students would drink there.. I did too once in a great while.

But you can easily get to HongDae or Itaewon on weekends.. and from either one.. maybe a little less than 10,000 won taxi fair home at the end of the night.

At least you are on the green #2 line.. so easy to place. You could be in much worse places in Seoul.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:

SNU is the top university though.

not for learning korean it isn't
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashimaro-

Which university do you think is best for learning Korean, then? You were an advocate of Sogang, weren't you?

I'm really interested in Sogang but since I am planning on going on in academia I was worried that they would focus on speaking to the detriment of other areas. I have heard from some that Yonsei is ONLY dry grammar, and also filled with just-out-of-high-school kyopos (nothing against kyopos, just that I think we have different goals in language class...also I am an old and crabby grad student).

What do you recommend, Mashimaro?

thank,

taobenli
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law



Joined: 14 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
Mashimaro-

Which university do you think is best for learning Korean, then? You were an advocate of Sogang, weren't you?

I'm really interested in Sogang but since I am planning on going on in academia I was worried that they would focus on speaking to the detriment of other areas. I have heard from some that Yonsei is ONLY dry grammar, and also filled with just-out-of-high-school kyopos (nothing against kyopos, just that I think we have different goals in language class...also I am an old and crabby grad student).

What do you recommend, Mashimaro?

thank,

taobenli


I am going to Sogang in the winter semester at this moment. I've met people at level 3 and level 4 there and they can pretty much understand alot. Even when I ask other Korean friends what they think of this level 3 student's Korean language ability they say, "he's Korean".
That's what's happening at Sogang.

My level 3 friend is really good. But he says that after he finishes the entire program at Sogang, he might go to Yonsei at a high level there to polish his writing and reading. At Sogang, reading and writing is not too important and it's only in level 7 where it becomes the main focus.

My ex-roomate went to Yonsei for level 1. He quit half-way because all they were doing in class was reading, writing, and grammer from the textbook. He found that it didn't help him talk and with the way they studied, he could do it by himself. I think my roommate would have been happy at Sogang.

Let me tell you a story:

The same level 3 Korean friend actually started off at Korean University for level 1. He hated it. Reading, writing, grammar, no interaction in class. They were using a textbook printed in 1960. It was using terms that were out of use. And the sad thing was, the teacher still taught it even though it was useless.

So he and 2 other frustrated American classmates travelled to all the universities in Seoul looking at their Korean programs. At Sogang, he went there at around 4PM in the afternoon. Usually, classes finish at 1PM. When he got there, he still saw people hanging around in the classrooms chatting and doing homework. He'd never seen this at the other universities so he switched to Sogang for level 2. He was one of the slow students in the class at first because the other students were used to talking from level 1 and he wasn't able to talk all the grammar that he had learned in Korea U. However, near the end of the class, he was one of the best students because he did have more grammar advantage and he now had an environment where he could use it.

Another point:

When we are quiet in class while working together on assignments, my teacher starts lecturing us. "Studying alone is Yonsei style. At Sogang , we do not study alone." Then after the reminder we start talking again and ignore whether we can write something correct on the assignment sheet.

I'm happy with Sogang. Before, for a period of 2 years in Vancouver, I studied in class with the reading and writing style. I could never talk. So now I can talk and I'm content with my progress. Actually, I can't wait to go to the higher levels. I enjoy watching my higher level classmates being able to talk with Koreans.

Another thing, Sogang students can out-talk students at the same level from other universities. I am really confident about that. All we do in classes is talk all the time. And after class we definitely talk some more because we love to talk and we use what we have learned right away.

Comparing Sogang reading and writing to other universities, I don't know who would win. And I think that this is your most important consideration?

Anyhow, that's my splurge:

Taobenli, good luck to you in choosing a program.
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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GO TO YONSEI.

i went for the international study abroad program in '02. lived in the dorms. with about 500+ other students both from the US and international. best time of my life.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
Mashimaro-

Which university do you think is best for learning Korean, then? You were an advocate of Sogang, weren't you?

I'm really interested in Sogang but since I am planning on going on in academia I was worried that they would focus on speaking to the detriment of other areas. I have heard from some that Yonsei is ONLY dry grammar, and also filled with just-out-of-high-school kyopos (nothing against kyopos, just that I think we have different goals in language class...also I am an old and crabby grad student).

What do you recommend, Mashimaro?

thank,

taobenli


Im at yonsei at the moment...

You need to decide what you want to do with your korean..sogang puts speaking above the other aspects whereas yonsei puts grammar above others...

Going during the summer, yonsei really will be packed with korean americans out to do nothing but party...bad learning environment.
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Sogang looks really great. I am still making up my mind. The thing is, SNU works better for my schedule- I can head over there right when spring quarter is done here, the program goes till August 15th, and then I have till late September to explore Korea and get ideas for fieldwork, as well as visit friends in Japan. Sogang on the other hand, starts later and doesn't end till Sept. 10th. And I'd prefer to do the exploring AFTER I study language intensively, so I can get more out it.

I'm also thinking that since I will be going on in the field of Korea Studies, people on Korean fellowship boards, etc. will see SNU as being more prestigious, more serious, etc.

My Korean-American friends here are all very confused about why I don't want to go to Yonsei. I have already done my undergrad study abroad term, and don't need a repeat (partying, etc.). Plus, I can hang out with plenty of Korean-Americans here, I don't need to go to Korea and pay money to do it!
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