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 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: Korea instructs Microsoft about good & legal business (? |
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"South Korea�s Fair Trade Commission ordered Microsoft on Wednesday to separate its instant messaging service and media player from the Windows operating system within six months. If Microsoft fails to comply, it could be forced to stop selling Windows in South Korea." And then pirated MS Windows will comprise 100% of sales instead of 90. I think I'll go buy some Nikea shoes today and an Adidos belt. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| To be fair, the EU told MS to do much the same thing. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
| To be fair, the EU told MS to do much the same thing. |
well, they're not ones to emulate. korea should not be taking business lessons from the european "let's regulate strawberry size!" union. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| ChimpumCallao wrote: |
| hypnotist wrote: |
| To be fair, the EU told MS to do much the same thing. |
well, they're not ones to emulate. korea should not be taking business lessons from the european "let's regulate strawberry size!" union. |
It's better to take business lessons from the US of "Free markets! Free markets! Er unless they, y'know, disadvantage American firms" A?
MS was clearly engaging in anti-competitive practices. Just because they cut a deal with the US Government that let them off the hook in that country doesn't mean they're in the right.
(ObDisclaimer: I work for a competitor of MS. No, not one selling PC software. I don't speak for them.)
(p.s. http://www.cec.org.uk/press/myths/myth72.htm vs http://www.ams.usda.gov/standards/strawber.pdf - tell me the difference!) |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| wasnt microsoft korea in trouble a few months back with microsoft software... damn.., |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Talking about anti-competitive practises, when will korea allow foreigners to register on their websites? |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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Let me guess. The next law will be to make all windows computers have buddy buddy. I hate that program. It is like herpes and just will not go away.
I believe the translation of this is that Korea does not want any outside entity to have any form of control over anything here. Personally, I think it would be pretty damned funny if Microsoft gave them a big 'screw you' in liew of the new, less pirateable (probably) OS coming out. Suddenly, all Koreans pirating the thing would have to register it from an IP not located in Korea, or they only get 30 days of it. Hilarious.
I would love to see the stink created from Microsoft thumbing their nose at this. It would be almost comical to see all of the Koreans blasting Microsoft with hate speech, demonstrations on the streets, kids at the hagwons: Teeechuhhh... Do you use-ee windows-uh?? Bad teacher! Bad!
When will the F#@k Microsoft song be released?
This would be so much fun. Kind of like the two wrestlers you hated the most finally fighting each other. I hate them both. I want to see a fight! |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
| To be fair, the EU told MS to do much the same thing. |
Why now Korea? Is it because you are a petty, retaliatory nation? The only reason this 32 million dollar fine is coming out now is because Samsung was fined by the US for collusion a few weeks ago. Pathetic little children they are.
If I was Bill Gates I would hold a press conference and pull out of Korea completley and immediately. Close all Korean offices tommorow and never produce any Korean language software again. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| MS was clearly engaging in anti-competitive practices. Just because they cut a deal with the US Government that let them off the hook in that country doesn't mean they're in the right. |
I fail to see how including a chat program and media player is anti-competative. Media players have been included with both Windows and Apple OSs for more than a decade, and chat programs almost as long. And many Linux variants include such programs as well.
Where does the bundling line drop? There used to be companies that sold TCP/IP programs because that protocol wasn't built into Windows, do we pull that out now as well as it's included in Windows? Maybe notepad as well? Some companies used to charge for a calculator program, shall we yank that too. The list goes on and on.
While the chat and media players get the attention, including them is no different than anything else that has been included. It's not as though they deny people from running anything else. |
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hypnotist
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Including a media player (only theirs, no other) gives them a HUGE amount of clout when pitching their encoders and back-end solutions. How exactly do the likes of Real and Apple compete with "Our software is ready and installed on 95% of computers, meaning it's far more likely that your movie / advert / whatever will be watched than if you use one of our competitors' software"?
Bundling is about a hell of a lot more than the software itself. Rip out Microsoft's TCP/IP stack and replace it with another and you can still access the internet. The consumer won't notice. Try playing a .wmv file in RealPlayer and see how far you get...
It's simply not true that media applications are no different (as long as commercial codecs and DRM solutions are application- and provider- specific). |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
| Including a media player (only theirs, no other) gives them a HUGE amount of clout when pitching their encoders and back-end solutions. How exactly do the likes of Real and Apple compete with "Our software is ready and installed on 95% of computers, meaning it's far more likely that your movie / advert / whatever will be watched than if you use one of our competitors' software"? |
So what? MP3 and MPG4 support weren't included in Windows, yet managed to survive quite nicely.
At one time, Real was the dominant media player but they managed to murder themselves. Their self-developed streaming format was poor, their in-house codecs were out-performed by pretty much everyone else, their player pushed "adware" onto client machines and would toss up ads when visiting specific sites, and would basically make life miserable. The Real Player you can download today which tries to play nice is far different than the application which tried to dominate your machine in 2001.
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| Bundling is about a hell of a lot more than the software itself. Rip out Microsoft's TCP/IP stack and replace it with another and you can still access the internet. The consumer won't notice. Try playing a .wmv file in RealPlayer and see how far you get... |
RealPlayer supports .wmv. You don't even have to do any tricks either, it's listed in the options menu for selecting the default media player.
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| It's simply not true that media applications are no different (as long as commercial codecs and DRM solutions are application- and provider- specific). |
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Seriously. |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Why now Korea? Is it because you are a petty, retaliatory nation? The only reason this 32 million dollar fine is coming out now is because Samsung was fined by the US for collusion a few weeks ago. Pathetic little children they are. |
actually, no. there was an investigation that lasted a long time, and this is the final outcome- much like what happened when the US, and the EU prosecuted microsoft for similar reasons. you can hate korea if you want, but now you are just twisting things to suit your prejudice. |
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bellum99
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I remember the days before microsoft and they were hell. Nothing worked together and there was all manner of confusion. Microsoft is 100% responsible for the world being as connected as it is now. People are stupid to believe that Microsoft has not helped the world.
Every person can own and operate a computer and use it for whatever they need to do in an easy and efficient way. Windows was an amazing benefit to the world and the company deserves to make the money.
Bundling is the only way to continue to ensure reliability between programs and to make things better for the average consumer who can't afford to pay for every little addition to the basic package. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they changed the world more than any single company in the history of the world. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: |
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I remember the days before microsoft and they were hell. Nothing worked together and there was all manner of confusion. Microsoft is 100% responsible for the world being as connected as it is now. People are stupid to believe that Microsoft has not helped the world.
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Microsoft didn't invent the computer or the internet for that matter. The vast majority of innovation has come from the open source community and small internetworked developers, as well as the scientific community.
microsoft, apple, amazon.com are trying their best to patent and bully the little guy out of the industry. While at the same time price gouge the consumer.
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Every person can own and operate a computer and use it for whatever they need to do in an easy and efficient way. Windows was an amazing benefit to the world and the company deserves to make the money.
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... have you tried any linux version recently ? Ubuntu linux is just as user-friendly as windows ever was. Plus much more secure and virus free at the same time.
M$ is doing it's level best to tie games, software and hardware manufacturers into it's operating system and preventing them from supporting linux systems. This is just one example of their continuing policy of abusing their market position.
M$ only likes a free market when it benefits them. When the market becomes really free, then they start bending the arms of software manufacturers, and lobbying governments to turn their back on open source implementations.
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Bundling is the only way to continue to ensure reliability between programs and to make things better for the average consumer who can't afford to pay for every little addition to the basic package.
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... no, writing bug-free, secure, open-source code and not abusing your position as the operating system producer is the only way to make things better for the average consumer.
... do you really want all the innovation in the iT world to come down to whether M$ could be bothered including it windows or not ? What would be the point in a developer writing a cool new program tomorrow, if M$ could just disinfranchise him of his idea in a year's time ?
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Say what you will about Microsoft, but they changed the world more than any single company in the history of the world.
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... what makes you think that exactly ? M$ have a history or almost zero innovation. Most of their software is buggy crap, and all their ideas were taken either from Apple, the open source community or their direct competitors. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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I really dont know much about computers, but i can say that i would rather buy a computer with all that in it bundled already, than have to get it seperately.
and i honestly dont know why Microsoft even bothers with Korea. How much do they really sell, and how much is pirated? Like other people said, I think Korea might be shooting itself in the foot if Microsoft refuses to comply. We all know how good Koreans are at creating something for themselves... |
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