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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Korean through ���� Reply with quote

Sorry for the obvious plugging of my own page, but this is useful to many of the people here. I had a section on my page called "Korean through ����" where I would take messages from my phone and translate them, turning them into small lessons. I didn't have a computer back then and was always at the PC Bang so I didn't feel like writing more than one, but since I have my own computer I decided recently that I could do about three a week with little effort. Now there's only one ���� per lesson. I was thinking they could be good for those of us who teach too much and only have the mental will to study for about ten minutes before vegging out / relaxing.

It's on the �Խ��� section of my page, go there and then to "Korean through ����" that you'll see on the left.

Here's the one I wrote today, without any formatting:


Quote:
�� ���ϰ� ��������? ������.. ���� �ʹ� �߿��� ���õ� �ʹ� ���..



There are quite a few particles omitted in this sentence; that comes from laziness or just to save space.

���� ���ϰ� ��������?.... ������ �ʹ� �߿���....



is what it might look like with particles.



This is from a friend of mine, so why is she using such polite Korean in the first sentence? That just makes the sentence a bit more interesting. Sometimes people use over-polite Korean half in jest, kind of like saying "your beverage, sir," when giving your friend a coke.



Back to the ����.



�� ���ϰ� ��������? ������.. ���� �ʹ� �߿��� ���õ� �ʹ� ���..



���ϴ� - to work

�� - well

���ϰ� �ִ� - doing well. Taking off the �� from �ϴ� and putting on a �� �ִ� makes it into the present progressive. Add a (��)����, and now it's extra polite.

������ - laughing sound

���� - yesterday

�ʹ� - very

�߿��� - past tense of ���. Now she's not being polite. These adjectives with a �� almost always turn into a ��, and then add a �� when being conjugated. It may look weird at first but just remember that a �� usually turns into ��. Then add a �� to make it polite. ���� - ����. ��� - �߿�. �Ӵ� - �̿�. And so on...

���� - today

���õ� - today as well

��� - Cold, isn't it? This �� expresses a slight surprise, or just a little bit of emotion. That's why you hear �ѱ��� �� �Ͻó׿�, because people are surprised if your Korean is up to par. Note that there's no conjugation when using ��! The �� in ��� is still there. How is it pronounced then? ��� sounds like ���. The �� becomes a �� sound, because 'chup-ne' is harder to say than 'chum-ne'.



The entire ���� translated:



"Working hard, sir? heheh...yesterday was so cold. Today's cold too..."
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Randall Flagg



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Location: Talkin' trash to the garbage around you

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Mithridates. Really, thank you. I like the way you explain things. I will start visiting your site more often.
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law



Joined: 14 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mithridates.

I learned something today. I'll be checking on your page more.

By the way, what's the origin of your username? I was just thinking about that when I was typing it out.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Um...correct me if I'm wrong (I might be), but shouldn't it be:

�� ���ϰ� �輼��?

�������� only works if the subject is not a person. �輼�� works when the subject is the person.

I was taught this way, at least..........
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you teaching Korean or English?
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested too ... but when I clicked on the site link all I got was a sheet of graph paper ... p'raps it's me ....
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
I'd be interested too ... but when I clicked on the site link all I got was a sheet of graph paper ... p'raps it's me ....

that's cyworld. You need to turn off your pop-up blocker to view cyworld pages
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's your pop-up blocker! Cyworld homepages are small and are actually pop-ups. Allow pop-ups for that site and you'll be able to see the site.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, thanks ... I'll try and do that, from the comments above it does look interesting.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mith,

You know, it would really benefit you to attend a University and actually get a degree in something.

Teaching here without a degree is illegal, anyway, no matter how you try to rationalize it.

Besides, you have the knack to move on to something like a Ph.D, etc.

You might actually find you enjoy it.

Why don't you?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I'm not a teacher, I work in an office... Surprised

I would go to university if I could study Altaic / Turkic languages and their relation to Korean and Japanese, for free.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
Um...correct me if I'm wrong (I might be), but shouldn't it be:

�� ���ϰ� �輼��?

�������� only works if the subject is not a person. �輼�� works when the subject is the person.

I was taught this way, at least..........


I just asked my co-worker, and she said they're both ok. I don't know. Goes against what I was taught.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they're both okay. I think ..�Լ��� is even more polite though. Basically you can put a (��)���� after everything.
This girl's from Pusan though; sometimes she'll put a �� after ���ϴ� as well. �����ϴٿ�~, like that.
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noelinkorea



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: Shinchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: eh? Reply with quote

I commend the study in Korean, but I was a bit confused by the title on the posting - ����? I immedately understood it as a common alternative for ����. Knowing that Korean has commonly repeated syllables with different meanings, I checked the excellent website

http://dic.naver.com/?frm=nt

...and the definition was


���� ���� [����] letters; figures; a character (���� �ϳ�); an alphabet
[�������뱸] a phrase; an idiomatic phrase from the Chinese classics
�����ڸ� �� ���� be much given to quoting [using] phrases from classical Chinese
������ ���⸦ �����ϴ� love to use old Chinese expressions
��(��) a dial (plate); the face ((of a clock)); the clockface
���� �״�� literally; to the letter

...or do you mean ���� �״��?

...the word pretty much relates to ����...note that 'phrase' here is also related to the chinese classics...your example sentence wasn't.

...So, did you mean ���� and not ����?
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh...���� are text-messages you send from phone to phone. ���ڸ��� is the full name for them. Text mail.
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