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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: Korean through ���� |
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Sorry for the obvious plugging of my own page, but this is useful to many of the people here. I had a section on my page called "Korean through ����" where I would take messages from my phone and translate them, turning them into small lessons. I didn't have a computer back then and was always at the PC Bang so I didn't feel like writing more than one, but since I have my own computer I decided recently that I could do about three a week with little effort. Now there's only one ���� per lesson. I was thinking they could be good for those of us who teach too much and only have the mental will to study for about ten minutes before vegging out / relaxing.
It's on the �Խ��� section of my page, go there and then to "Korean through ����" that you'll see on the left.
Here's the one I wrote today, without any formatting:
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�� ���ϰ� ��������? ������.. ���� �ʹ� �߿��� ���õ� �ʹ� ���..
There are quite a few particles omitted in this sentence; that comes from laziness or just to save space.
���� ���ϰ� ��������?.... ������ �ʹ� �߿���....
is what it might look like with particles.
This is from a friend of mine, so why is she using such polite Korean in the first sentence? That just makes the sentence a bit more interesting. Sometimes people use over-polite Korean half in jest, kind of like saying "your beverage, sir," when giving your friend a coke.
Back to the ����.
�� ���ϰ� ��������? ������.. ���� �ʹ� �߿��� ���õ� �ʹ� ���..
���ϴ� - to work
�� - well
���ϰ� �ִ� - doing well. Taking off the �� from �ϴ� and putting on a �� �ִ� makes it into the present progressive. Add a (��)����, and now it's extra polite.
������ - laughing sound
���� - yesterday
�ʹ� - very
�߿��� - past tense of ���. Now she's not being polite. These adjectives with a �� almost always turn into a ��, and then add a �� when being conjugated. It may look weird at first but just remember that a �� usually turns into ��. Then add a �� to make it polite. ���� - ����. ��� - �߿�. �Ӵ� - �̿�. And so on...
���� - today
���õ� - today as well
��� - Cold, isn't it? This �� expresses a slight surprise, or just a little bit of emotion. That's why you hear �ѱ��� �� �Ͻó�, because people are surprised if your Korean is up to par. Note that there's no conjugation when using ��! The �� in ��� is still there. How is it pronounced then? ��� sounds like ���. The �� becomes a �� sound, because 'chup-ne' is harder to say than 'chum-ne'.
The entire ���� translated:
"Working hard, sir? heheh...yesterday was so cold. Today's cold too..." |
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Randall Flagg
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Location: Talkin' trash to the garbage around you
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Mithridates. Really, thank you. I like the way you explain things. I will start visiting your site more often. |
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law
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Mithridates.
I learned something today. I'll be checking on your page more.
By the way, what's the origin of your username? I was just thinking about that when I was typing it out. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: yes |
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Um...correct me if I'm wrong (I might be), but shouldn't it be:
�� ���ϰ� �輼��?
�������� only works if the subject is not a person. �輼�� works when the subject is the person.
I was taught this way, at least.......... |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Are you teaching Korean or English? |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be interested too ... but when I clicked on the site link all I got was a sheet of graph paper ... p'raps it's me .... |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
I'd be interested too ... but when I clicked on the site link all I got was a sheet of graph paper ... p'raps it's me .... |
that's cyworld. You need to turn off your pop-up blocker to view cyworld pages |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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It's your pop-up blocker! Cyworld homepages are small and are actually pop-ups. Allow pop-ups for that site and you'll be able to see the site. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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OK, thanks ... I'll try and do that, from the comments above it does look interesting. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mith,
You know, it would really benefit you to attend a University and actually get a degree in something.
Teaching here without a degree is illegal, anyway, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
Besides, you have the knack to move on to something like a Ph.D, etc.
You might actually find you enjoy it.
Why don't you? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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But I'm not a teacher, I work in an office...
I would go to university if I could study Altaic / Turkic languages and their relation to Korean and Japanese, for free. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: yes |
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Ilsanman wrote: |
Um...correct me if I'm wrong (I might be), but shouldn't it be:
�� ���ϰ� �輼��?
�������� only works if the subject is not a person. �輼�� works when the subject is the person.
I was taught this way, at least.......... |
I just asked my co-worker, and she said they're both ok. I don't know. Goes against what I was taught. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, they're both okay. I think ..�Լ��� is even more polite though. Basically you can put a (��)���� after everything.
This girl's from Pusan though; sometimes she'll put a �� after ���ϴ� as well. �����ϴٿ�~, like that. |
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noelinkorea
Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: Shinchon, Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: eh? |
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I commend the study in Korean, but I was a bit confused by the title on the posting - ����? I immedately understood it as a common alternative for ����. Knowing that Korean has commonly repeated syllables with different meanings, I checked the excellent website
http://dic.naver.com/?frm=nt
...and the definition was
���� ���� [����] letters; figures; a character (���� �ϳ�); an alphabet
[�������뱸] a phrase; an idiomatic phrase from the Chinese classics
�����ڸ� �� ���� be much given to quoting [using] phrases from classical Chinese
������ ���⸦ �����ϴ� love to use old Chinese expressions
��(��) a dial (plate); the face ((of a clock)); the clockface
���� �״�� literally; to the letter
...or do you mean ���� �״��?
...the word pretty much relates to ����...note that 'phrase' here is also related to the chinese classics...your example sentence wasn't.
...So, did you mean ���� and not ����? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Oh...���� are text-messages you send from phone to phone. ���ڸ��� is the full name for them. Text mail. |
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