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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: Korea bashing solution? |
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Like most of you who've been here awhile, I sometimes get worked up about living in Korea and the pet peeves of life here. At times, I even get into an Anti-Korea rant with/to friends which leaves me neither satisfied, nor very proud.
This Christmas, my family visited me here for the first time since I came 5 years ago. It was nice to show them around Seoul and to showcase all the good in Korea. When meeting my fiancee's family (Korean), there was a beautiful cultural exchange going on which left everyone feeling warm inside.
After a week here, my family and I went to Thailand. I stayed a month in Thailand and returned a few days ago feeling better about Korea than I have for a while. I've made the decision to be more positive about my host country, and not to take individual incidents as par for the course.
I hope this post doesn't degrade into another Korea-bashing thread... I just thought that 1- having family visit, 2- a nice break outside of Korea, and 3- having a consciously positive attitude are all ways we can feel better about our everyday life.
Having said this, I arrived in Incheon, a smile (although a tired one) on my face, and took the airport "Limousine Bus" home with my fiancee. She asked the driver a few questions about how long the ride would be and where the drop-off points were, and the driver did all but spit at her. He was incredibly rude, angry for no reason (other than the fact that he was talking to a Korean woman with a Western guy), basically telling my fiancee not to bother him. In between sentences, he'd do that familiar "eehhhhhhh" with a few "eehhhyyyiiisssssshhhhhhhheeee"'s thrown in.
Now, I mean, WTF? 'Welcome back to Korea' I thought to myself. But I held my tongue (something that I was until then incapable of doing in such situations), and remembered my pledge to be more positive.
I haven't stopped thinking about this incident over the past 2 days since arriving back from my trip... First, I wish I had told that Ahole (in my limited, but amply explitive Korean) where he could put his attitude, and second, will I be able to keep my "positive attitude" about Korea?
For my own sake I hope so! |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Bus drivers are creatures that have evolved beyond the need for politeness. |
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JacktheCat

Joined: 08 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Blind Willie wrote: |
Bus drivers are creatures that have evolved beyond the need for politeness. |
True, but every now and then you run into a really cool one.
There's a bus driver in Sokcho, maybe some of you know him, drives the line 3 bus, used to be in the White Tigers division that fought in Vietnam. Speaks fluent English and loves to regale you with stories of fighting the Viet Cong and napalming villages.
Threw me for a loop the first time I got on his bus, being addressed with a thick Texan accent by an eldery ajoshi. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I got so much free time on my hands I might just go and check it out.
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Korea bashing solution? |
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Hanson wrote: |
Having said this, I arrived in Incheon, a smile (although a tired one) on my face, and took the airport "Limousine Bus" home with my fiancee. She asked the driver a few questions about how long the ride would be and where the drop-off points were, and the driver did all but spit at her. He was incredibly rude, angry for no reason (other than the fact that he was talking to a Korean woman with a Western guy), basically telling my fiancee not to bother him. In between sentences, he'd do that familiar "eehhhhhhh" with a few "eehhhyyyiiisssssshhhhhhhheeee"'s thrown in.
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Report him to his employers... be an outraged tourist (even better, businessman): bus drivers practically swearing at passengers can't be good for tourism.
You know, half the reason businesses in Korea don't want to employ women over 30 is because they believe woman get sour and disgruntled with age (and without a husband/family) and will thus be rude to customers.
After scoffing at this notion some recent interactions with bureaucracy and department stores in Melbourne lead me to believe there may be some validity to the assumption.
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There's a bus driver in Sokcho, maybe some of you know him, drives the line 3 bus, used to be in the White Tigers division that fought in Vietnam. Speaks fluent English and loves to regale you with stories of fighting the Viet Cong and napalming villages. |
Jack: is this guy as badass mean as they say the Korean Vietnam soliders were... you reckon? |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think I was on that bus, he was running late as it was and you guys were holding up 40+ people. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Korea bashing solution? |
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Hanson wrote: |
But I held my tongue (something that I was until then incapable of doing in such situations), and remembered my pledge to be more positive. |
Sorry brother, but I dont see anything positive about not confronting a bus driver that was rude to your wife. You should channel this experience into motivating force to help you learn Korean. When a similar thing happens, you will be able to tell the rude person in a polite way how offensive he is, and that you will report him to his superiors. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Location: Inchon
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Korea bashing solution? |
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shakuhachi wrote: |
Hanson wrote: |
But I held my tongue (something that I was until then incapable of doing in such situations), and remembered my pledge to be more positive. |
Sorry brother, but I dont see anything positive about not confronting a bus driver that was rude to your wife. You should channel this experience into motivating force to help you learn Korean. When a similar thing happens, you will be able to tell the rude person in a polite way how offensive he is, and that you will report him to his superiors. |
Confronting the guy; YES!!
Must learn Korean to do it? Hahahahahaha!!!!!
It's easy enough to tell someone off here without speaking Korean. They'll know by the tone of your voice. And no need to be polite, the busdriver has already stepped over that line.  |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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To hijack this thread, about two weeks ago I took a limousine bus back into Seoul from Incheon Airport, had a nice chat with the driver during the trip, and he was nice enough to drop me off at an unscheduled stop close to my apartment. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I find the majority of bus drivers in Korea VERY rude! In England, bus drivers would greet you, say things like (hello me lov' or something) and when you've handed over the money, they say *ta* or thank you. If there are old people getting on the bus, they wait to make sure that these folks are seated before they drive off to make sure they don't fall. Then when you get off the bus, you say thanks to the driver and they say bye to you.
In Korea? When I was pregnant, I got on the bus once or twice and I was moving slowly because I was 8 months along. I had barely got on the bus, the driver told me to get inside the bus so he could driver off and he drove off at a lightning speed!!!!! What's up with them?! |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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tzechuk wrote: |
I find the majority of bus drivers in Korea VERY rude! In England, bus drivers would greet you, say things like (hello me lov' or something) and when you've handed over the money, they say *ta* or thank you. If there are old people getting on the bus, they wait to make sure that these folks are seated before they drive off to make sure they don't fall. Then when you get off the bus, you say thanks to the driver and they say bye to you.
In Korea? When I was pregnant, I got on the bus once or twice and I was moving slowly because I was 8 months along. I had barely got on the bus, the driver told me to get inside the bus so he could driver off and he drove off at a lightning speed!!!!! What's up with them?! |
When were you last in England?
Examples of things I've seen on buses in England but not Korea:
People getting blowjobs on the back seat.
People shutting all the windows, setting some newspapers on fire, then getting off.
Lads getting ready to fight each other by tearing makeshift knifes out of beer cans. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Swiss James wrote: |
When were you last in England?
Examples of things I've seen on buses in England but not Korea:
People getting blowjobs on the back seat.
People shutting all the windows, setting some newspapers on fire, then getting off.
Lads getting ready to fight each other by tearing makeshift knifes out of beer cans. |
Ah, but this is little old Derbyshire we are talking about James.. heh.. not London or rough areas  |
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TJ
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Bus drivers |
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Maybe I've been lucky but I've never had a rude bus driver in the whole 4 years I've been in Korea. There have been bad drivers but none have been impolite. The only angry Korean bus driver ever was one who swore at a motor cyclist who tried to commit suicide by cutting in front of the bus. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Korea bashing solution? |
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Hanson wrote: |
I haven't stopped thinking about this incident over the past 2 days since arriving back from my trip... First, I wish I had told that Ahole (in my limited, but amply explitive Korean) where he could put his attitude, and second, will I be able to keep my "positive attitude" about Korea?
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h**l no, not if some bus driver has you riled up for 2 days. I mean, really, you're sitting around wishing you had given some old man a piece of your mind? for what? Personally, I love getting yelled at by Korean people. I have no idea what they're saying, but they sure do put a lot of effort into it. Sometimes at markets, I'll make an insulting low-ball offer for an item, just to hear all that issshhhing and haaaaaking.
But, actually, seriously, it is good that you're making an effort to be positive. I haven't been here a long time, so I'm not in the position to give you a lot of advice. I just think you should let more stuff go. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:30 am Post subject: |
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dogbert Posted
To hijack this thread, about two weeks ago I took a limousine bus back into Seoul from Incheon Airport, had a nice chat with the driver during the trip, and he was nice enough to drop me off at an unscheduled stop close to my apartment.
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That's what I'm talking about. Things like that make you feel good about your host country. I've had some good chats with strangers in Korea, and it's great.
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shakuhachi Posted
Sorry brother, but I dont see anything positive about not confronting a bus driver that was rude to your wife. You should channel this experience into motivating force to help you learn Korean. When a similar thing happens, you will be able to tell the rude person in a polite way how offensive he is, and that you will report him to his superiors.
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It's just that he totally messed up my whole "be positive" frame of mind. Not even an hour back in Korea, and this bus driver just gives you a bad taste in your mouth... Y'know what I mean... But you're right, I should learn more Korean. I'm embarrassed by my Korean after having been here long enough to speak and understand better than I do. My choices were swear at the guy in Korean, tell him off in English, or just shut up and take it up the arse...
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babtangee posted
Report him to his employers... be an outraged tourist (even better, businessman): bus drivers practically swearing at passengers can't be good for tourism. |
That's what my fiancee said after getting home. I wish I had taken down his ID number or whatever. Next time.
Thanks for the replies. I'm not stewing days in and days out over this, I'm hoping I really can have a more positive attitude and view isolated incidents (like the one with this bus driver) as just that. Last semester, I realized that I was complaining too much and I don't want to be that guy. |
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