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Ihavenolips

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: Korean Tourism Industry |
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Korea recently launched a new tourism campaign under the slogan "Dynamic Korea: Hub of Asia"
The promotion effort pretty much fell on deaf ears outside of Asia. The problem was that the Korean National Tourism Organization (KNTO) had difficulty finding a national image to attract foreigners. Korea does have toursim potential, but still only 1.2 million non-Asians visited Korea in 2004.
The article at the link below explores the reasons why. Check it out if you ever wanted to know about foreigners in Korea.
http://www.ajarn.com/Contris/kenmayfebruary2005.htm |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Good post!
As for the non Asian tourists'....the American count of tourists is misleading in a way as well as the for ESL teachers. I��ll explain.
The KNTO numbers also reflect the American military members and their families...who are not tourists. Those are in the thousands and thousands. Same with ESL teachers doing visa runs. Leave Korea and return��and you��re counted as a new tourist.
I was actively involved in the KNTO for 13 months a few years back. We were a group of 11 foreigners who were hired to��help edit pamphlets and brochures��I say help edit��we were not allowed to make any changes! As well as contact the tourism departments of other countries and get them to promote Korea��Everything was done the way the Koreans wanted it done. Fresh ideas��were never accepted. New ideas from 3 of the foreign staff who were experts in tourism��were also ignored.
You pointed out many good reasons to visit Korea as well as a few for not.
But.....without going into the hundreds of negative reasons for not visiting��.or recommending Korea to others as well as the thousands who do not return to Korea for subsequent visits��..I think many already know why.
Koreans shoot themselves in the foot many times��and when the international news media picks up on the protesting, corruption, the fist fights in the legislation��and on and on��not to mention the driving habits��which incidentally��many foreigners did complain about to KNTO��many bad images. It hurts foreign investment and tourism.
Another complaint was the ��having to give the white envelope�� in order to do business.
Things are getting better and changes are happening��.but Koreans need to realize that the door swings both ways.
I have personally tried to attract a few companies to open or do business in Korea. Great business opportunities for some of these companies��but��none wanted to do business with Koreans.
What really got me upset at times��was the way some of the foreigners talked about how great Korean was, good for investments and business etc. and then complain about all the negatives behind closed doors.
Many underlining reasons why Korea can��t promote itself��the beaches, mountains, etc. are not going to attract tourists. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| The writers of that article suggest that Cheongju and Jeonju were once spealt exactly the same way. I don't know how that is possible. Maybe Jeonju used to be Cheonju, but I am pretty sure it has never had a "g" in it thus making them similar in spelling but not the same. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| The writers of that article suggest that Cheongju and Jeonju were once spealt exactly the same way. I don't know how that is possible. Maybe Jeonju used to be Cheonju, but I am pretty sure it has never had a "g" in it thus making them similar in spelling but not the same. |
I think at one time there was a Chonju (now Jeonju) and a Ch'onju (or something like that) Not sure what Ch'onju is now, but I don't think it is Cheongju...I'll have to check out my old copy of Lonely Planet (and a map) if I can find it. Maybe this is what the writer(s) in question was (were) referring to.
From the net: (http://www.singlespeed.org/asia1/asia17.html)
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| To add to this, the Koreans seem to like naming things with slight different variations in sounds. They seem to be able to understand these slight different intonations, but it sure confuses me. A quick look at a map of Korea and you would see the towns of Ch'onju, Chonju, Chungju, Yongju, Wonju, Kyongju, Chinju, and Chongju. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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I met some travel agents from Germany that were here over the summer. There was (is?) a push to promote Korea as a tourism destination in Germany and they came over to look around and to liase with officials from the KNTO. The KNTO official took them out to dinner and spoke on his cellphone the whole time. Finally hung up, and pushed them to hurry up and eat because he had another appointment.
They will no longer be dealing with the KNTO or Korean travel agents. The upshot is that they will send tourists to Korea, but they are only going to deal with a foreign (Russian) run outfit based in Jeju. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:25 am Post subject: |
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The tourists can have Jeju for golf and beaches, and Seoraksan for temples and hiking..
Areas of outstanding scientific interest such as the DMZ, Saemangeum etc would be good for strictly controlled eco-tourism. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
Good post!
As for the non Asian tourists'....the American count of tourists is misleading in a way as well as the for ESL teachers. I��ll explain.
The KNTO numbers also reflect the American military members and their families...who are not tourists. Those are in the thousands and thousands. Same with ESL teachers doing visa runs. Leave Korea and return��and you��re counted as a new tourist.
I was actively involved in the KNTO for 13 months a few years back. We were a group of 11 foreigners who were hired to��help edit pamphlets and brochures��I say help edit��we were not allowed to make any changes! As well as contact the tourism departments of other countries and get them to promote Korea��Everything was done the way the Koreans wanted it done. Fresh ideas��were never accepted. New ideas from 3 of the foreign staff who were experts in tourism��were also ignored.
You pointed out many good reasons to visit Korea as well as a few for not.
But.....without going into the hundreds of negative reasons for not visiting��.or recommending Korea to others as well as the thousands who do not return to Korea for subsequent visits��..I think many already know why.
Koreans shoot themselves in the foot many times��and when the international news media picks up on the protesting, corruption, the fist fights in the legislation��and on and on��not to mention the driving habits��which incidentally��many foreigners did complain about to KNTO��many bad images. It hurts foreign investment and tourism.
Another complaint was the ��having to give the white envelope�� in order to do business.
Things are getting better and changes are happening��.but Koreans need to realize that the door swings both ways.
I have personally tried to attract a few companies to open or do business in Korea. Great business opportunities for some of these companies��but��none wanted to do business with Koreans.
What really got me upset at times��was the way some of the foreigners talked about how great Korean was, good for investments and business etc. and then complain about all the negatives behind closed doors.
Many underlining reasons why Korea can��t promote itself��the beaches, mountains, etc. are not going to attract tourists. |
Your job with the KNTO...Did you do an interview at their office whre you had to edit some newspaper articles that were written by people who had the writing skils of a kindie kid? There were about 15 people in the interview room doing a 30 minute editing test. I think I almost had the job, but from what you wrote, I believe I might have been better off.
As with doing business with Koreans, I refuse to do business with any Korean publishers or publishers who force you to use their Korean office. They are like used car salesman and think I have the intelligence of a three year old when it comes to the book industry. I had some clown try selling me books at a 10% discount. I threw him out of the store much to my wife's dismany. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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-I don't think korea is as bad or as hard to get around as the writer is implying. I have never had much trouble, even when i first arrived here and have seen some great stuff. Lots of it in supposed out of the way places.
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| However, it costs nearly as much to fly to Jeju-Do as it does to Bangkok |
This is bullcrap. I went to Jejudo for a week, airfare and accomodation plus car hire coast me 400 000 won all week. I could drive wherever i wanted. good luck finding that deal in Thailand.
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| Several taxies raced by us rather than deal with our question about rides to the train station. Once inside a taxi tourists are vulnerable to the driver��s dishonesty. To our misfortune, the taxi driver decided to hike up the fare by driving us to a train station in a totally different city. It should have been obvious to take us to the nearest station which was only 15 minutes away. Instead, he drove us all the way to the city of Jochiwon. |
In 3.5 years in Korea I've had maybe 10 taxis in total drive past me(but there has been 2 in the last month) and only once have I had a taxi take me to the wrong destination. Has this guy ever used taxis in Bangkok, Bombay or jakarta(which is a struggle at times - you have to yell at them to turn on the meter sometimes). Mate, Korean taxi drivers, while a little erratic are generally pretty good.
-Granted Korean tourims infrastructure is a little dodgy but with a little common sense it is a piece of pie to travel around Korea. It has to have one of the best point-to -point bus systems in the world.
-I think in all honesty this guy is just a bad traveller. |
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gomurr

Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Great article but with 1 problem. The train station for ch'ongju is in fact in Chochiwon (Used to live in Ch'ongju). Would have been better just to go the bus station. I think it's easy to get confused about the names, there are 3 cities on the west side of Korea that sound Similiar but spelled a little different:
Ch'ungju - Ch'ongju - Chongju (Lonely Planet '97 edition)
You can see how confusing it would be for a tourist with no knowledge of Korean. Alot of Koreans get them mixed up as well. I used to throw in the name of the province to make sure they got it right when travelling back to Ch'ongju. |
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noelinkorea
Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: Shinchon, Seoul
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: gomurr |
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| Strange that you lived in Cheongju, but you never knew of the Cheongju railway station!! It is right behind Bumo-san, which is the mountain next to the Cheongju IC gate to enter the city. Jochiwon station is 8km from the gate, whereas the Cheongju station is a mere 2km. You can take buses to get there fromthe city centre, natually. With the Cheongju station you can also avoid all of the city hustle and bustle and go easily into the downtown. The station is after Osong station, which is after Jochiwon station. Jochiwon station (which is actually in Chungnam, and not Chungbuk) is 18 km directly to City Hall, but Cheongju station is 8.5 km directly...a bit of a difference. |
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gomurr

Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| I remember now and I only took the train once and that was coming back from Busan. The train from Busan doesn't stop directly in Ch'ongju but in Chochiwon and you would have to transfer trains which would be a waste of time. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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"Korean Tourism will Improve if it Caters to Backpacking English Teachers" by a Backpacking English Teacher
Actually, I agree with the improvements the author suggests, most notably the maps and tourism zones (more Insa-dongs, yea!). |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| just because wrote: |
| -I think in all honesty this guy is just a bad traveller. |
Or maybe you were just lucky.
Yes, I don't know you any more than you know the author of that article, but you can see where this is heading. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Where is Korea mentioned?
1,000 Places to See Before You Die
by Patricia Schultz
Contents (note: excerpt from Asia section only)
Asia
East Asia
China
Japan
Mongolia
South and Central Asia
Bhutan
India
Iran
Nepal
Sri Lanka
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Southeast Asia
Cambodia
Indonesia
Laos
Malaysia
Myanmar
Philippines
Singapore
Thailand
Vietnam
Australia, New Zealand, and The Pacific Islands
http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?sourceid=00395996645644787198&btob=Y&ean=9780761104841&displayonly=TOC
The Traveler's Atlas: A Global Guide to the Places You Must See in a Lifetime. by John Man, Chris Schuler, Geoffrey Roy
Korea?????? |
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endofthewor1d

Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: the end of the wor1d.
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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i've talked about korea's tourism problem with friends of mine from back home who toyed with the idea of coming to visit me, as well as with a korean woman i know who actually did a lot of work on the whole 'dynamic korea' campaign.
from a western country, if you're going to lay down that kind of cash, there are far better places to see.
don't get me wrong. i love living in korea. but if i ever had a friend come to visit, and he asked me what is worth seeing, i'd have to tell him 'well... this is a pretty good bar. there's another good bar just up the road...'
a lot of countries have mountains. and a lot of countries have beaches... dare i say even beaches where the local girls don't wear button-up shirts in the water.
food, on the other hand, would be a reason for me to come. i absolutely adore korean food. but the problem with that is that a lot of korean food is a bit of an aquired taste. one or two weeks isn't really enough to aquire it.
getting smashed off your ass on two dollars worth of soju might be reason enough for some, but if that's why you come, you might as well spend the money you would have spent on a plane ticket to get smashed off your ass on something really expensive at home.
korea... nice place to live, but i wouldn't want to visit there. |
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