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Signing a contract and then changing your mind.

 
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Signing a contract and then changing your mind. Reply with quote

If a person were to get a uni job, sign a contract and then decide to not work at that and instead sign up with another school, could the first school take legal action and haul the teacher's arse to court? A friend said that it's not legally binding until the teacher gets an E-2 VISA. Is this true?

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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have evidence that they have already broken the contract, you have pretty good grounds for having it cancelled.



When does the contract start? You could technically give proper notice and quit before you even start.


I can't see it being a problem.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The contract is legally binding as soon as it is signed. However, as long as they haven't applied for your visa yet, you still have a chance to back out without needing a release letter. If you can tell them that you changed your mind about the job and convince them to accept it (ie-not take you to court) you should be ok. The trick is to get them to accept.

It shouldn't be too hard, though. It sounds like they are in breach of your agreement. Even if those things aren't in the contract, I think you can still pull out. You can make a stink about the situation and make it look like you will be a pain in the ass for the duration of the contract. You might want to mention contacting the labor board as well. They might just tear up that contract for you!
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any hakwon owner with half a brain should realize that "if you want out...you would not be happy being "forced" to stay and would be a terrible teacher/employee." I'd tell immigration that you don't want them to process the visa for that school. Get a jump on the hakwon.
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Gollum



Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: Signing a contract and then changing your mind. Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
If a person were to get a uni job, sign a contract and then decide to not work at that and instead sign up with another school, could the first school take legal action and haul the teacher's arse to court? A friend said that it's not legally binding until the teacher gets an E-2 VISA. Is this true?

The reason that I'm wondering is that a school has hired me, but the boss has lied to me twice already. I was told that I would only need to teach 12 hours per week. Well, that's turned to 20. In addition, a 32 pyong apartment was negotiated and now it's turned into a 24 pyong apartment. Shocked

Now, somewhere else is possibly interested in hiring me for a much better deal. Now I do have a conscience, but on the same note, I don't like getting screwed. Any advice concerning the legality of a change is welcomed. Thanks in advance.

Harpeau


I backed out of a University camp contract last summer, after they told me I'd need to come in for several hours of unpaid work to help them set up the camp. They never said anything about this, and I was very specific about the contract. It was obvious from the initial parents' meeting that the camp was going to be a poorly-managed fiasco. Twenty angry parents pissed that they didn't have the required information... forcing teachers to stuff, take out, and re-stuff packets because they didn't get it done in time. I bailed on them one day after signing.

I even had applied to Immigration to get the approval and the notation to do it. To my surprise, immigration had it OK'd in one day! I told them to cancel it, and they were a little surprised at this, but I did.

Honestly, if I were you, I'd tell the University you're bailing, and tell them exactly why. Be very firm about it. Maybe they will kiss up. If not, at least you're avoiding a potentially shady boss.
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Ihavenolips



Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened to me once. I signed a contract with an university near Busan. Things looked good at first. There was a lot of conversation after the contract was successfully negotiated. One of the native speaking teachers even escourted me to the train afterward so I wouldn't miss it.

The problem was revealed about 15 minutes after my train departed. My copy of the contract was missing pages. The entire section relating to housing, overtime, vacation, and bonus were gone. I knew that the school was moving teachers to a new dormitory and found it curious that this information was absent in my copy. How could a secretary forget to xerox something this important? I started to worry that something else might have been substituted.

I gave the school the benefite of doubt and requested that they send another copy. However, they mailed me only the single page that was missing. The fonts and formatting didn't even match up. I gave them a third chance to clear things up. But, the attachment they sent by e-mail lacked a basic letterhead and stamp that would have made it more official. It just seemed too fishy; I akso tired of dealing with a matter that should have been simple and easy. In the end I bailed on them.

I think there is a difference if you leave before you have started working, or before you have applied for a work visa. In my case I informed them that I would cancel the contract in advance. They had three months to find another teacher. I never had any problems with them about it. They might have been sincere, but the doubt was placed in mind. They didn't fix the contract as quick as they should have and I wasn't about to take the risk. In the end you have to trust your instincts.
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