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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:15 am Post subject: Teachers Arrested |
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Teachers Arrested in Exam Scandal
Police said yesterday a group of senior teachers took bribes in return for doctoring students' exam records in a privately run high school in southwestern Seoul. The police arrested six teachers and four parents in connection with the exam scandal.
A former principal wanted by police for being involved in the scandal is out of the country to avoid police. According to the police, the principal identified only by his family name Kim, 56, received about 1.4 million won from a parent with a request to alter her son's exam scores.
Kim allegedly instructed two teachers to fake the record and they manipulated scores about six times in return for a few hundred million won.
The teachers are accused of switching the students' exam answer sheets or leaking the exam questions in advance to students, whose parents were all parents' association members. The former chief of school affairs, only identified by his family name Kim, 48, is accused of taking about 6.3 million won from three parents.
By Joo Sang-min, The Korea Herald (February 24, 2005)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/02/25/200502250010.asp
Teachers, Principals Involved in Manipulating Students' Scores
The vice principal also allegedly received 2 million won from Ku to grant three honorary awards to the student from the school.
By Chung Ah-young, Korea Times (February 24, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200502/kt2005022418082211970.htm |
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McNasty

Joined: 04 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:31 am Post subject: |
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According to the police, the principal identified only by his family name Kim, 56, received about 1.4 million won from a parent with a request to alter her son's exam scores. |
You have to wonder about the principal's salary, was he that desperate for money? Does anyone have the salary specs on public school teachers, vice principals, and principals?
Real Reality, didn't you post something a while back on salaries?
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Kim allegedly instructed two teachers to fake the record and they manipulated scores about six times in return for a few hundred million won. |
Now that is some serious cash!
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Another chemistry teacher did the same twice in May 2002 for a student after he was bribed with four gift sets of kalbi (beef ribs). |
Forget Kalbi!!! Where's the cash!!  |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how much hagwon mothers would cough up? |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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What really bugs me is that Korean parents would never hype this up as much as they do foreign teachers... I'd be interested to know how many angry posts there were an hour after this piece of news was published. Over 100, perhaps... ? I can imagine it to be anywhere near the 1000 the posts involving foreign teachers attracted. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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tzechuk wrote: |
What really bugs me is that Korean parents would never hype this up as much as they do foreign teachers... I'd be interested to know how many angry posts there were an hour after this piece of news was published. Over 100, perhaps... ? I can imagine it to be anywhere near the 1000 the posts involving foreign teachers attracted. |
I dunno. This scandal is being taken pretty seriously. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: |
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McNasty asked,
"Real Reality, didn't you post something a while back on salaries?"
Salary for teachers
Korea stands out as having a long scale reaching a much higher level than that of other countries. The starting salary for primary teachers in Korea is $24,140, marginally behind that for Australia at $25,775. Australia ranks 3rd in the starting salary offered to teachers but Australian teachers reach a relatively modest maximum of $36,175 (ranked 12th) quite early in their careers. Korean teachers, on the other hand, reach $39,921 after 15 years and $66,269 at the top of their scale.
http://www.austcolled.com.au/pubs.php?id=538
For primary education, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Mexico have relatively low salary costs per hour of instruction ($13, $15, and $16, respectively); by contrast, costs are relatively high in Denmark ($48 ), Germany ($49 ), South Korea ($62 ), and Switzerland ($48 ). Salary costs per primary teaching hour in the United States are in the middle of this range at $35. In South Korea, high costs per teaching hour at the primary level are balanced by a relatively high student/teacher ratio (31.2) and a low proportion of current expenditure on nonteaching staff, resulting in below-average expenditure per student (OECD 2000.)
http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/seind02/c1/c1s7.htm#c1s7l3 |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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There's an old guy teaching second grade at my school who tells me he's on 4 million a month. |
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: korean teachers arrested |
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tzechuk wrote: |
What really bugs me is that Korean parents would never hype this up as much as they do foreign teachers... I'd be interested to know how many angry posts there were an hour after this piece of news was published. Over 100, perhaps... ? I can imagine it to be anywhere near the 1000 the posts involving foreign teachers attracted. |
Let's suppose you own a candy shop, and the Billy boy in the neighborhood stole into your shop and ran away with a candy bar without paying. You sure did have a noisy scene with Billy's mom for that. A week later your own son did the same thing. Then would you take the matter up the same noisy way as you did with Billy's mom?
What we korean parents feel about the latest incidents involving the teachers arrested for their moral hazards is not just such a big deal of the injured pride or humiliation as caused by some naughty foreign teachers. It is nothing but gloom and despondency in our education system and the politicians' will and ability to improve it. We all know it is not a matter to be fixed by 1000 posts. Our candy shop is rapidly crumbling down, but it may be too late to holler about that in the street.
Changing the subject, if there must be naughty teachers there will also be as many tongues wagging about that. That does not mean those tongues represent all korean parents' frame of mind toward freign teachers or waegookins working or staying in this troubled country, any more than a handful of naughty teachers represent the whole population of foreigners in korea. At least, I would like you to spare more time for your charming daughter than counting the number of posts thrown in a case of pedantic corruption. Most of you are precious beings for education of our children, as business partners or just companions in understanding various cultures. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: korean teachers arrested |
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Gunshake wrote: |
What we korean parents feel about the latest incidents involving the teachers arrested for their moral hazards is not just such a big deal of the injured pride or humiliation as caused by some naughty foreign teachers. It is nothing but gloom and despondency in our education system and the politicians' will and ability to improve it. We all know it is not a matter to be fixed by 1000 posts. Our candy shop is rapidly crumbling down, but it may be too late to holler about that in the street.
Changing the subject, if there must be naughty teachers there will also be as many tongues wagging about that. That does not mean those tongues represent all korean parents' frame of mind toward freign teachers or waegookins working or staying in this troubled country, any more than a handful of naughty teachers represent the whole population of foreigners in korea. At least, I would like you to spare more time for your charming daughter than counting the number of posts thrown in a case of pedantic corruption. Most of you are precious beings for education of our children, as business partners or just companions in understanding various cultures. |
Maybe I'm just sappy, but I really appreciated that post.  |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Never under estimate what Korean mothers will do for their sons.
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Mothers of some students were allegedly involved in "suspicious relationships" with male teachers, police said. An official said they will not probe into contact between parents and teachers.
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200502/24/200502242217014909900090409041.html |
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Randall Flagg
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Location: Talkin' trash to the garbage around you
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: Re: korean teachers arrested |
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Zenpickle wrote: |
Gunshake wrote: |
What we korean parents feel about the latest incidents involving the teachers arrested for their moral hazards is not just such a big deal of the injured pride or humiliation as caused by some naughty foreign teachers. It is nothing but gloom and despondency in our education system and the politicians' will and ability to improve it. We all know it is not a matter to be fixed by 1000 posts. Our candy shop is rapidly crumbling down, but it may be too late to holler about that in the street.
Changing the subject, if there must be naughty teachers there will also be as many tongues wagging about that. That does not mean those tongues represent all korean parents' frame of mind toward freign teachers or waegookins working or staying in this troubled country, any more than a handful of naughty teachers represent the whole population of foreigners in korea. At least, I would like you to spare more time for your charming daughter than counting the number of posts thrown in a case of pedantic corruption. Most of you are precious beings for education of our children, as business partners or just companions in understanding various cultures. |
Maybe I'm just sappy, but I really appreciated that post.  |
Me too.  |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: Re: korean teachers arrested |
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Gunshake wrote: |
Let's suppose you own a candy shop, and the Billy boy in the neighborhood stole into your shop and ran away with a candy bar without paying. You sure did have a noisy scene with Billy's mom for that. A week later your own son did the same thing. Then would you take the matter up the same noisy way as you did with Billy's mom?
What we korean parents feel about the latest incidents involving the teachers arrested for their moral hazards is not just such a big deal of the injured pride or humiliation as caused by some naughty foreign teachers. It is nothing but gloom and despondency in our education system and the politicians' will and ability to improve it. We all know it is not a matter to be fixed by 1000 posts. Our candy shop is rapidly crumbling down, but it may be too late to holler about that in the street.
Changing the subject, if there must be naughty teachers there will also be as many tongues wagging about that. That does not mean those tongues represent all korean parents' frame of mind toward freign teachers or waegookins working or staying in this troubled country, any more than a handful of naughty teachers represent the whole population of foreigners in korea. At least, I would like you to spare more time for your charming daughter than counting the number of posts thrown in a case of pedantic corruption. Most of you are precious beings for education of our children, as business partners or just companions in understanding various cultures. |
Thank you for putting me straight. I am glad that there are people who think like you. Sorry if I offended you. |
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: korean teachers arrested |
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tzechuk wrote: |
Gunshake wrote: |
Let's suppose you own a candy shop, and the Billy boy in the neighborhood stole into your shop and ran away with a candy bar without paying. You sure did have a noisy scene
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At least, I would like you to spare more time for your charming daughter than counting the number of posts thrown in a case of pedantic corruption. Most of you are precious beings for education of our children, as business partners or just companions in understanding various cultures. |
Thank you for putting me straight. I am glad that there are people who think like you. Sorry if I offended you. |
Dear tsechuk,
No, you never offended me.
Rather, I am also one of those who are quite often offended by our own way of thinking or behaving in the global society. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I worked at a high school in gyeonggi province last year. The main principal at my school was promptly arrested and thrown in jail for something I don't know. Hmmmm, I wonder if he was part of this. |
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