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No filming/picture taking at front entrance of Lotte Mart?
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cellphone



Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: No filming/picture taking at front entrance of Lotte Mart? Reply with quote

Was holding my video camcorder and standing just inside the doorway at an entrance for a Lotte Mart (not dept store), where there were plenty of people as well as a good pan view of the store. Held the camera up for 30 seconds and some employees started flipping, actually wasn't so much that in as much as they didn't have anything else to do so why not do 'this' something to make them seem busy. A minute later a security guard walks from nearby and smiles, tells me "no picture in store." I smiled back and said it's just a basic camera, no big deal but put the camera down anyways. He uses his headset to talk to others, but even he is smiling as he can't seem to understand either what the big deal is about a guy at the front door doing a pan over. Then another employee who speaks decent english tries to tell me this is private and no pictures.

I basically gave him a friendly and firm debate asking if there were laws or real rules about it, and otherwise this is supposed to be a democracy. He asks "what is purpose of picture" and I said I am basically a simple tourist, nothing more for certain. Didn't seem to score any points. Gets on phone with someone, avoids me, I finally have to ask him "where are the paper rules for the store?" Doesn't have any. Seems to imply the conversation is moot and can go no further.

In the entire store there are no signs and no indication that simple amateur pictures are forbidden. I wonder what would have happened if it were a Korean person holding a camera. I also wonder what do Korean people have to hide. Apparently Koreans don't like pics/filming. Oh wait, that's only when it's them being seen. By the way, this occured a few days ago.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: No filming/picture taking at front entrance of Lotte Mar Reply with quote

cellphone wrote:
Was holding my video camcorder and standing just inside the doorway at an entrance for a Lotte Mart (not dept store), where there were plenty of people as well as a good pan view of the store. Held the camera up for 30 seconds and some employees started flipping, actually wasn't so much that in as much as they didn't have anything else to do so why not do 'this' something to make them seem busy. A minute later a security guard walks from nearby and smiles, tells me "no picture in store." I smiled back and said it's just a basic camera, no big deal but put the camera down anyways. He uses his headset to talk to others, but even he is smiling as he can't seem to understand either what the big deal is about a guy at the front door doing a pan over. Then another employee who speaks decent english tries to tell me this is private and no pictures.

I basically gave him a friendly and firm debate asking if there were laws or real rules about it, and otherwise this is supposed to be a democracy. He asks "what is purpose of picture" and I said I am basically a simple tourist, nothing more for certain. Didn't seem to score any points. Gets on phone with someone, avoids me, I finally have to ask him "where are the paper rules for the store?" Doesn't have any. Seems to imply the conversation is moot and can go no further.

In the entire store there are no signs and no indication that simple amateur pictures are forbidden. I wonder what would have happened if it were a Korean person holding a camera. I also wonder what do Korean people have to hide. Apparently Koreans don't like pics/filming. Oh wait, that's only when it's them being seen. By the way, this occured a few days ago.


My guess is that it may have something to do with the recent 'sikkparazzi' phenomenon. There is a seperate post on that in here somewhere. As for democratic rights, there are certain conditions of entry when you go into a store. Not filming without proper permission may be one of them. However, they should post the rules at the enterance.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find people have issues with video cameras all over the world.

Recently, on vacation in Vancouver, I was told to stop filmimg a few times. Once by a random guy on the street who just felt I was invading his privacy by doing a shot of a street in Vancouver just as he was walking past.

In Korea it could be down to the massive amount of adultery that goes on here. So many married people are having affairs so a video camera is the last thing they want to see.
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to start a program...cheaters...korea! Start following and filming! Trouble is...I would not have enough flim! All the love hotels and barber shops! I'm sure though...that I'd be killed by the cheaters after awhile!
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told once not to take pictures inside of a certain shop back in Virginia Beach. I'm pretty sure that there's an unwritten rule about stores being private property and that they can refuse to allow you to videotape for any reason. It's not just a Korean thing.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't do it in the states these days, either. Best Buy in the USA has called police on customers who write down prices to compare against other stores. They always assume you're from some other store, and are price-checking.

Freakin' joke. If some store wants to get your prices -- they'll get them easily.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's generally frowned upon in Canada as well.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's generally frowned upon in Canada as well.


What are you talking about?
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no pictures or video inside stores is commonly enforced. It's done mostly to prevent compettition from getting an advantage. I'm sure there's worries about criminal elements as well.

As for the street nothing stopping you there.
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IconsFanatic



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told not to film the outside of a Hyundai Oil thingo (can't remember the chain's exact name) once while in Gyeongju.

Have they nothing better to do?!?
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Drakoi



Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: No filming/picture taking at front entrance of Lotte Mar Reply with quote

cellphone wrote:
In the entire store there are no signs and no indication that simple amateur pictures are forbidden. I wonder what would have happened if it were a Korean person holding a camera. I also wonder what do Korean people have to hide. Apparently Koreans don't like pics/filming. Oh wait, that's only when it's them being seen. By the way, this occured a few days ago.


NO, YOU RACIST BASTARD. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FILM A STORE'S MERCHANDISE AND PRICES NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, THAT'S CALLED COMPETITOR PRICING. ALSO MANY STORES HAVE THEIR FLOOR LAYOUT, ARCHITECTURE, AND DECORATION COPYRIGHTED AND YOU CAN'T FILM WITHOUT PERMISSION. YES WE ALL KNOW COPYRIGHT LAW IS FUCKED AND IT IS SELECTIVELY ENFORCED (EVERYWHERE!)

YOU WERE INSIDE THE STORE YOU DUMB *beep*, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY CAN TELL YOU TO GO TO HELL FOR ABOUT ANYTHING IF THEY WANT.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IconsFanatic wrote:
I was told not to film the outside of a Hyundai Oil thingo (can't remember the chain's exact name) once while in Gyeongju.

Have they nothing better to do?!?


Hyundai Oil Bank.

It amazes me that they tell you NOT to film outside in an open space.. com'on, do they own the street too?!
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this may be unrelated but when I was playing tour guide to some Japanese tourists in Edmonton they were amazed that they were able to take pictures inside of the malls.

They told me that you can get in big trouble in Japan for taking pictures of the insides and even outsides of malls and stores.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah a friend at Carrefour whippd out his camera to take a photo of some Christmas display inside the store and some security guy told him no. I'm not sure what the deal is but by custom and convention it seems to be banned. I'm surprised you argued. You were standing in a private business, not a public street. What right do you think you have?
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Shutterfly



Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happenined to my friend and I as well. She was taking a picture of me on a bench that happened to be facing DOOTA. HOwever from the picture you couldnt even tell what building was behind me.. just a cement wall! A security Guard came over and demanded we put the camera away and erase the picture. I would of understood if architecture or merchandise was being shown in the picture, but i think that was a bit much.
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