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Did You Watch SBS Program Saturday?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Did You Watch SBS Program Saturday? Reply with quote

Did you watch the program focusing on foreigners on Saturday night on SBS at 10:55-11:55? What did you think?
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres a thread about this in the job discussion forum
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cellphone



Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goebbles would have been proud the way the announcer grimmed into the camera and several times over said "Oori" (You and me/we) so as to penetrate the feelings of the viewer.
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stalinsdad



Joined: 25 Jan 2003
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An absolute disgrace!!!

The reporting was so one-sided and inaccurate to boot.

It was just made up of people with an obvious axe to grind.

You had the Kyopo from Guam(is that a real university?) complaining about whites calling him chinks etc, maybe he has a vendetta?

The thrown away Korean wife.(well we all know how Korean women get their revenge).

The Canadian wannabe idiot(he works 6 hours a week and takes home 3 million?).

If it pays that well I might take up privates!!

The poor filippino chap, beaten over the head. ( I presume to make us whites seem even more angmarish)

The dreaded M word mentioned at every opportunity(marijuana).

I would personally welcome all foreigners having drug testing + a notorised degree from the Korean Embassy from their original country + a degree with some relevence to English!!!!

I have nothing to hide but the few????

Obviously do.

If this nationalistic bollocks helps separate the chaff from the wheat-bring it on.


Wink

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cellphone



Joined: 18 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stalinsdad wrote:
If this nationalistic bollocks helps separate the chaff from the wheat-bring it on.


I understand you there, but does it have to be done thisway? The wheat will be so repulsed you'll have only chaff remaining.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine. So long as we drug test every Korean national entering our country. Turnabout is fair play.
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stalinsdad



Joined: 25 Jan 2003
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very valid points cell and the other.

I'm starting to judge whether I should hang around much longer.

It was funny how the Directors etc were completely let off!!!!

I have worked at a Adult Education Centre, and I was discriminated against because I wouldn't go out pissing it up with students(ajuma).

It seems they want you to misbehave but just don't get caught!!!!

I'm coming to the conclusion that being a serious teacher who cares is not compatible with Korea????

Shocked
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leslie Cheswyck wrote:
Fine. So long as we drug test every Korean national entering our country. Turnabout is fair play.

(I think I might have mentioned this in another thread last summer, but...)

In the late 1980s, when Korea was in the grips of HIV-AIDS paranoia, the foreign ministry announced plans to test every foreigner entering or already in the country -- every foreigner. The Dean of the Corps Diplomatique at the time (residing ambassador who's been at his/her post longest) happened to be the Saudi Arabian ambassador. To his eternal credit, he said -- and I believe the press carried it -- that while he couldn't speak for any other countries, if the ROK went ahead with these tests, his country would follow suit... but with a slight modification: only Koreans would be tested. Other diplomats made similar noises off camera, and Korea dropped the idea soon thereafter.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My student said that the report painted the American teachers as being the illegal ones.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
My student said that the report painted the American teachers as being the illegal ones.


I noticed while watching that �̱���� was about equal with teacher. I didn't matter that American's are not the majority of English teachers in Korea.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
My student said that the report painted the American teachers as being the illegal ones.


I would have thought that Canadians would find it easier to teach illegally, given that they can get a 6 month tourist visa.
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hadeshorn



Joined: 30 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I couldnt believe was when they did the re-creations. Who was the fucking idiot who decided to play the role of the foreigner?

"Ok, you play the role of the bad foreigner that gets students drunk and sleeps with them"

"Um, ok then, no problem"

I would love to find that white haired pretty boy and punch him.

But who was that stupid Canadian who bragged about being illegal? Stay under the freaking radar! People who were interviewed on that program just wanted to brag how smart they are at outwitting the Koreans.

Also bringing the cameras along on that Marijuana bust. Oh my god talk about biased journalism.

Also how clueless could that guy be, "Oh im Canadian smoking weed in Korea, Its no big deal. I will be fine"

I was livid after seeing that show. It doesnt concern me that much because im not an English Teacher. But I wished Koreans would stop the whole victim syndrome that they love to impose on themselves.
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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the translations I was getting from a Korean friend, the show seemingly highlighted that Koreans are overly respectful of white foreigners while too discriminatory against non-white non-Koreans.

I agree that us whities are hired by English language institutes much too easily, which is quite rightly being exposed lately. But I haven't seen nor heard any mention of the cause of the problem.

Good, adequately-qualified native English speakers aren't likely to choose to work at an institute that doesn't have a decent long-term curriculum with goals and objectives in terms of the students' progress and they're not likely to work for employers who treat them so incredibly bad as is too commonly the case in this country.

I think language institutes (���) should be brought, and kept, inline by the Ministry of Education, or some other government body.

The Ministry of Justice's Immigration Bureau has failed to check the validity of the original degree certificates that every E-2 visa application is meant to include and the number of unanswered questions on their web-site is evidence that they're inadequately staffed or just don't care about doing their job.

While Korea's immigration system is letting many people into the country to teach when they shouldn't be, it's also forcing many good teachers to go through hell at their workplaces because they can't leave.

In Japan, teachers' visas don't restrict them to specific employers and this allows them to easily walk out on an employer who treats them unfairly. The result is that you get good employers.

Good employers generally get good workers. Bad employers just get any worker they can, because they can't keep onto the good ones.

My friend told me that a guy on that SBS show said only 5% of foreigners in Korea were good. That's not true.

5% of Korea's English language institute directors are good employers? I'd believe that.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
Derrek wrote:
My student said that the report painted the American teachers as being the illegal ones.


I noticed while watching that �̱���� was about equal with teacher. I didn't matter that American's are not the majority of English teachers in Korea.


That's exactly what I told my student!

Total misrepresentation of the facts. It's not that Americans are necessarily any less "legal" in the way they do things here, it's that Canadians can, and do, have far more opportunity to be illegal.

They get 6 month tourist visas... we get 1 month. Although we can get an extention, but an illegal teacher isn't going to be applying for extentions every 3 months. No way.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
weatherman wrote:
Derrek wrote:
My student said that the report painted the American teachers as being the illegal ones.


I noticed while watching that �̱���� was about equal with teacher. I didn't matter that American's are not the majority of English teachers in Korea.


That's exactly what I told my student!

Total misrepresentation of the facts. It's not that Americans are necessarily any less "legal" in the way they do things here, it's that Canadians can, and do, have far more opportunity to be illegal.

They get 6 month tourist visas... we get 1 month. Although we can get an extention, but an illegal teacher isn't going to be applying for extentions every 3 months. No way.

Awww... poor boy wants a six month toursit visa.
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